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Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by Analemma_ »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #295
paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

This comment is a bit confusing and surprising to me because I tried Antigravity three weeks ago and it was very undercooked. Claude was actually able to identify bugs and get the bigger picture of the project, while Gemini 3 with Antigravity often kept focusing on unimportant details. My default everyday model is still Gemimi 3 in AI Studio, even for programming related problems. But for agentic work Antigravity fel…

I've mentioned this before, but I think Gemini is the smartest raw model for answering programming questions in chatbot mode, but these CC/Codex/gemini-cli tools need more than just the model, the harness has to be architected intelligently and I think that's where Google is behind for the moment.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by Nevermark »

3acctforcom wrote: post #351
Nevermark wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the "consistent" naming helps them shove more through the Enterprise door. If a large company has bought into "Co-Pilot", they want it all right? Or not, but let's not make carving anything out easy. Just a thought.

This is actually one of their smart decisions. "Copilot" is currently going through the corporate regulators, who know nothing about technology, but I can't buy it until they say everything is Legal. So once we have signoff then my counterpart in Sharepoint/M365 land gets his "Copilot" for Office, while my reporting and analytics group gets "Copilot" for Power BI, while my coding team gets "Copilot" for llm assisted…

Thanks for validating my intuition!

> In the meantime everybody just plugs everything into ChatGPT

I believe you meant "everyone plugs everything into ChatGPT for Co-Pilot"! A statement with its own useful ambiguities.

It is comical, but I can now make a serious addition to Sun Tzu's maxims.

“All warfare is based on deception.”

“To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.”

"Approval is best co-opted with a polysemous brand envelope."

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by Oras »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

You need to see how many times they changed AI related services in Azure. It’s a shit show.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by binsquare »

marssaxman wrote: post #294
kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

> Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. They really won't, though; Microsoft just does this kind of thing, over and over and over. Before everything was named "365", it was all "One", before that it was "Live"... 20 years ago, everything was called ".NET" whether it had anything to do with the Internet or not. Back in the '90s they went crazy for a while calling everything "Active…

Some musings from someone who has not worked in microsoft but has in big tech.

This often happens because the people inside are incentivized to build their own empire.

If someone comes and wants to get promoted/become an exec, there's a ceiling if they work under the an existing umberlla + dealing the politics of introducing a feature which requires dealing with an existing org.

So they build something new. And the next person does the same. And so you have 365, One, Live, .Net, etc

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by shawnz »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #345
adventured wrote: post #267

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Nadella has the golden ship taking on water right now. He has entirely botched AI top to bottom. He has screwed that up to such a degree that it would be difficult to overstate. If he doesn't correct these mistakes extremely soon, he'll unravel much of the progress he made for Microsoft and they'll miss this generation of advancement (which will be the end of their $3 trillion market cap - as the market has recently…

I am no big fan of MS, and especially not a fan of W11, but you're operating under the false assumption that their users are still their most important customers. MS's bottom line doesn't depend on how happy users are with W11, especially not power users like ourselves. W11 is just a means of selling subscriptions (office, ai, etc). The question isn't 'are users happy' it's 'will OEMs and business continue to push it…

If their whole business is based around being an established standard and making users happy is not a relevant goal, then why do anything at all? They already are an established standard, so why would they bother taking any further actions whatsoever, making any changes or rolling out any new products? Clearly they are trying to achieve something, right? So what is it?

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by georgeven »

mgkimsal wrote: post #154
timr wrote: post #144

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> There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. No, there is Github Copilot, the AI agent tool that also has autocomplete, and a chat UI. I understand your point about naming, but it's always helpful to know what the products do.

> No, there is Github Copilot, the AI agent tool that also has autocomplete, and a chat UI. When it came out, Github Copilot was an autocomplete tool. That's it. That may be what the OP was originally using. That's what I used... 2 years ago. That they change the capabilities but don't change the name, yet change names on services that don't change capabilities further illustrates the OP's point, I would say.

It was actually nearly 5 years ago!

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by Dusseldorf »

dangus wrote: post #292
bobsmooth wrote: post #147

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Recall actually sounds like it could be useful but there's a snowball's chance in hell that I would trust Microsoft to not spy on me.

I don’t plan on using the feature and I don’t plan on using Windows much longer in the first place, but I find that going beyond the ragebait headlines and looking at the actual offering and its privacy policy and security documentation makes it look a lot more reasonable. Microsoft is very explicit in detailing how the data stays on device and goes to great lengths to detail exactly how it works to keep data private…

Until those switches come in the crosshairs of someone's KPIs, and then magically they get flipped in whatever direction makes the engagement line go up. Unfortunately we live in a world where all of these companies have done this exact thing, over and over again. These headlines aren't ragebait, they're prescient.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by GaryBluto »

kemotep wrote: post #127

Microsoft really needs to get a better handle with the naming conventions. There is Microsoft Copilot, which replaced Bing Chat, Cortana and uses OpenAI’s GPT-4 and 5 models. There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is Microsoft 365 Copilot, what they now call Office with built in GenAI stuff. There is also a Copilot cli that lets you use whatever agent/model backend you want too? Everything is Co…

>There is Github Copilot, the coding autocomplete tool. There is also Github Copilot, the subscription, that lets you use Anthropic, OpenAI and Google models.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by aantix »

paxys wrote: post #111

For one reason or another everyone seems to be sleeping on Gemini. I have been exclusively using Gemini 3 Flash to code these days and it stands up right alongside Opus and others while having a much smaller, faster and cheaper footprint. Combine it with Antigravity and you're basically using a cheat code.

Not my experience at all.

It fails to be pro-active. "Why didn't you run the tests you created?"

I want it to tell me if the implementation is working.

Feels lazy. And it hallucinates solutions frequently.

It pales in comparison to CC/Opus.

Re: Claude Code is suddenly everywhere inside Microsoft

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Post by torginus »

Nevermark wrote: post #325
torginus wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is kind of a bummer - it'd have helped the standards based web to have an actual powerful entity maintain a distinct implementation. Firefox is on life-support and is basically taking code from Blink wholesale, and Webkit isn't really interested in making a browser thats particularly compliant to web standards. MS's calculus was obvious - why spend insane amounts of engineering effort to make a browser engine t…

It would have helped the standards based web, if the standards based web wasn't a fermenting spaghetti monster.

From what I've heard a W3C standards meeting is basically a Zoom call between Blink and Webkit engineers.
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