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Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by _heimdall »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #356
cpncrunch wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats not an argument to get rid of the courts. Quite the opposite. Trump is trying to sideline them, but ultimately it will fail becausethe population wont accept it. The US isnt China or Russia, and Trump may have to learn that.

The population is accepting it right now. 40% of the people still approve of everything Trump is doing. If you have 10 friends and you ask them what they want to eat for dinner and 6 say let’s go to a Mexican restaurant and 4 say let’s kill Bob and eat him, you still need to worry about your friend group. Right this second ICE agents are killing people with impunity and police for the longest have had qualified immun…

What poll have you seen that asks people to approve of everything any president does?

I live in a very red part of the country, and in a very red, rural area that voted ~90% for Trump. I don't know anyone that is okay with everything he has done. Some take issue with Venezuela, some with the handling of the Epstein files or the federal budget. Some don't like sabre rattling over Greenland.

Most people I know that do vote Republican are one issue voters. At least here people voted because they always vote republican, support the second amendment, think the republicans actually want a balanced budget, or just hated Clinton/Biden. It isn't about supporting whatever Trump does, though I'm sure some small percentage does.

People regardless of party or region don't think critically often enough and can't set aside their own personal beliefs. We've made our country bipolar and we're seeing the repercussions. It isn't a problem with any one party or person, and the answer isn't to tear down the fundamentals of our system. We need to actually get back to the fundamentals because of late both parties have been going the way of socialism and authoritarianism.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by _heimdall »

themaninthedark wrote: post #326
_heimdall wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules and laws allowing the federal government to take over a state case against a federal agent seem much more damaging. The cops involved in the most recent Minneapolis shooting will almost certainly face no repercussions because of this. The state can bring a case but the feds are clearly uninterested, they would simply take the case into federal court and spike it.

The state can't bring charges against a federal agent enforcing federal law, otherwise southern states could have sued the federal agents enforcing integration. https://youtu.be/LuRFcYAO8lI?si=3n5XRqABhotw8Qrw

That's incorrect. States can bring charges, they will almost certainly be thrown out or moved to federal court outside of the state's control.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by _heimdall »

voidfunc wrote: post #349
_heimdall wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We aren't going to remove the security state We definitely won't get rid of it if we accept failure. I get that it seems extremely unlikely, but there's no use in trying to just mitigate the risk short term. One way or another that power will be abused eventually (if it isn't already).

Idealist views like this get us nowhere either tho. The reality is somewhat more murky. On a long enough time horizon your point makes sense, we might be able to get rid of the security state by slowly chipping away at ig over hundreds or thousands of years. Most of us are going to be dead in about 40 years tho. Security state isn't going anywhere in that timeframe.

Why not? Change like that happens slowly, then all at once. I can't say I'm optimistic that it will be gotten rid of, but if its worth fighting for then it doesn't matter if it seems likely.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by Spivak »

Ms-J wrote: post #330

More abuse done to us. We never agreed for our GPS coordinates to tag along with calls for some assholes to see exactly where we are. It is tiring. I am doing something about it by making technical contributions. If you are able to do the same, please do.

I mean we kinda did when we decided that emergency services calls would be special and give first responders the ability to find you. Wireless carriers are required to provide GPS quality (actually better than GPS) location data to EMS and this is how they built it.

The only way to actually do this was develop a way to ask the phone because the tower isn't accurate enough. In the US it could have been more privacy preserving by being push but I imagine carriers don't want to maintain and update a list of current emergency numbers. "Sorry person in a car crash, we can't find you because cellular modem firmware is out of date and your emergency number isn't on list" is a PR disaster waiting to happen. Easier to coordinate with police and fire and let them do the asking.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by leptons »

bilbo0s wrote: post #106
bigyabai wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I empathize with the sentiment, but in reality Apple is as lazy as anyone else: https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/07/29/134008/apple-con...

Apple is not as lazy as anyone else, don't believe the hype. That assertion is a bit overblown. And people can easily find out it's overblown with a bit of research. But at the same time, my whole philosophy is never let it touch any network connected device at all if it is critical. I don't care if it's an Apple device. Here's reality, mobile carriers have been able to get your location from nearly the inception of…

>Apple is not as lazy as anyone else, don't believe the hype.

"You're holding it wrong" might be the laziest thing anyone has ever said about a tech product.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by Zetaphor »

voidfunc wrote: post #349
_heimdall wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We aren't going to remove the security state We definitely won't get rid of it if we accept failure. I get that it seems extremely unlikely, but there's no use in trying to just mitigate the risk short term. One way or another that power will be abused eventually (if it isn't already).

Idealist views like this get us nowhere either tho. The reality is somewhat more murky. On a long enough time horizon your point makes sense, we might be able to get rid of the security state by slowly chipping away at ig over hundreds or thousands of years. Most of us are going to be dead in about 40 years tho. Security state isn't going anywhere in that timeframe.

I'm curious to hear someone explain why you're being downvoted

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by nubinetwork »

ianpenney wrote: post #76
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #40

This community should be talking about meshcore more imho. It's a peer to peer network based on Lora. It really only allows text messaging but with up to 20km hops between peers coverage is surprisingly huge. Incredibly useful if you go hiking with friends (if you get split up you can still stay in touch). See https://eastmesh.au/ and scroll down to the map for the Victoria and now more widely Australia network that'…

I’ve been wondering this for a while and maybe someone has a clue. Based on the very “bursty” nature of LoRA, how much does an adversary need to spend to radiolocate it? What’s the threat model there?

If its meshtastic, just keep sending traceroutes until you triangulate the node.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by lrvick »

jmward01 wrote: post #90

"and notify the user when such attempts are made to their device." We aren't going to remove the security state. We should make all attempts to, but it won't happen. What needs to happen is accountability. I should be able to turn off sharing personal information and if someone tries I should be notified and have recourse. This should also be retroactive. If I have turned off sharing and someone finds a technical loo…

I turned off all cell carrier tracking 5 years ago. 100% of it.

By canceling my cell phone subscription.

I know I know, I must be amish, I have heard it all. But I run two tech companies, travel, have a family, and do most of the things most around here probably do other than doom scrolling.

So much more time in my own head to think.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by trimethylpurine »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #356
cpncrunch wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats not an argument to get rid of the courts. Quite the opposite. Trump is trying to sideline them, but ultimately it will fail becausethe population wont accept it. The US isnt China or Russia, and Trump may have to learn that.

The population is accepting it right now. 40% of the people still approve of everything Trump is doing. If you have 10 friends and you ask them what they want to eat for dinner and 6 say let’s go to a Mexican restaurant and 4 say let’s kill Bob and eat him, you still need to worry about your friend group. Right this second ICE agents are killing people with impunity and police for the longest have had qualified immun…

There are so many rulings, just in the last 25 years even, where SCOTUS has reaffirmed that warrantless search is not okay. This one is very much in line with the topic, in fact.

Carpenter v. United States (2018)

This country has never been what you're saying. We have some over policing happening. That seems to come and go in every country and doesn't say anything by itself about what a county is about, especially where it's trending over a 25 year timeline in the opposite direction from what you're describing.

Let it go to court, at least, before you flip your lid and turn on your countrymen.

Please.

Re: Mobile carriers can get your GPS location

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Post by lazide »

lrvick wrote: post #368
jmward01 wrote: post #90

"and notify the user when such attempts are made to their device." We aren't going to remove the security state. We should make all attempts to, but it won't happen. What needs to happen is accountability. I should be able to turn off sharing personal information and if someone tries I should be notified and have recourse. This should also be retroactive. If I have turned off sharing and someone finds a technical loo…

I turned off all cell carrier tracking 5 years ago. 100% of it. By canceling my cell phone subscription. I know I know, I must be amish, I have heard it all. But I run two tech companies, travel, have a family, and do most of the things most around here probably do other than doom scrolling. So much more time in my own head to think.

I’m guessing you have a bunch of other people with their own cell phones doing things?

That’s the reason most other people are (fundamentally) going to struggle.

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