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Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by JasonADrury »

otherme123 wrote: post #358
JasonADrury wrote: post #316

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The court orders cover only specific ISPs, if your ISP is not one of those, they are not defying the mandate. You can see right here https://www.poderjudicial.es/search/AN/openDocument/766326fb... > Are they defying the Spain government mandate? Nobody has claimed that this is a government mandate , it isn't. It's a court order, coming from the judiciary. While Americans might consider the judiciary to be a branch of…

You are misunderstanding everything: 1. The ISP ask a judge to ban some IPs, and the judge gives them the permission to do so, because they asked. A judge could ask every ISP to do so, but they don't. But the ISP must request permission to ban, that es the reason the ban is limited to some ISP. 2. It does not come from the judges, it comes from the ISP that request to do it. Some ISP don't care about football, so the…

I assume you can read Spanish, I don't think the link to the court order leaves any room for interpretation.

LIGA NACIONAL DE FÚTBOL PROFESIONAL y TELEFÓNICA AUDIOVISUAL DIGITAL S.L.U filed the lawsuit against Vodafone España S.A.U, Vodafone ONO S.A.U, MASORANGE Orange Espagne S.A.U, DIGI SPAIN TELECOM S.L.U, TELEFÓNICA ESPAÑA S.A.U and TELEFÓNICA MÓVILES ESPAÑA S.A.U.

> A judge could ask every ISP to do so, but they don't

You are getting this wrong. The judge isn't acting on their on initiative here, but because La Liga (together with Movistar+) sued the biggest ISPs in Spain.

They didn't bother suing the smaller ISPs, probably because co-ordinating the blocking with them isn't worth the hassle.

>3. Not true, please don't FUD. In Spain is extremely rare to be killed by the police, even resisting, unless you threat them with a gun for example. And there are more cases with guns or knifes that are peacefully defused, than "executions on the spot". I don't know what are your intentions lying like that, but they don't look good.

You're failing to understand that this is the implicit threat that accompanies most court orders anywhere.

1) If you refuse to comply, you will be locked in a small room for an indefinite period

2) If you continue to actively resist, increasing amounts of force will be used to force your compliance.

3) If you still continue to resist, you will be summarily executed.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by jraby3 »

leonhandreke wrote: post #165
jraby3 wrote: post #102

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I agree that it got appallingly little press, as do many large-scale human rights violations around the world. However, I feel like pitting it against "the rhetoric in Gaza" is wrong. Gaza is much more our war (where "we" is "the West"). Our governments directly provide the funds and weapons that are being used to commit the large-scale grave human rights violations by Israel in Gaza and the West Bank. In plain Engli…

I don't think anyone really believes civilian deaths shouldn't be condemned. I think the main source of argument is who gets the blame. Hamas could've returned the hostages at any time, but they got rewarded by foreign money (and immensely successful anti Israel propaganda campaign by Qatar, Russia and China) to keep going.

The only real way to peace for gazans is to have a non Islamist government take over (like from the UAE) and re educate the population to not start training their children for intifada at the age of 3 or 4 and instead use some of the billions they've received in aid to build infrastructure and education.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by jraby3 »

miki123211 wrote: post #133
jraby3 wrote: post #102

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A situation only gets press when people disagree about it[1]. George Floyd got a lot because he was a borderline case, an innocent man shot by police for some, a criminal who got what he deserved for others. That creates tension. That creates arguments. "local cop shoots innocent 80-year-old woman carrying groceries" is a story for a day at best, then the cop gets punished and we move on. Gaza is the same. You have o…

It's not just press. The actions of the world are to let Iran continue doing what it wants to its people and not interfere.

The reason isn't that no one disagrees, it's that Qatar, Russia and China don't think the issue is divisive and have not launched a multi billion dollar propaganda campaign about it. And the actual press couldn't care less if Israel isn't involved.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by ignoramous »

direwolf20 wrote: post #233
mohsen1 wrote: post #145

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Unfortunately if it's public the government can also see it and block it :(

Snowflake aims to make every IP address a Tor bridge. It hides Tor traffic inside something very similar to a video call, which works in a browser behind NAT.

If the censors could probe and detect Snowflake on IPs, those will get blocked. When a censor observes suspiciously high amount of traffic to a set of IPs, it might block them or shape bandwidth.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by fragmede »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #302
fragmede wrote: post #95

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The companies block access to Cube due to sanctions, which there because of Cuba's communist government, which is their fault.

I am more powerful than you, and I come to you with a request to act against your own interests in order to serve me. You refuse. The harsh consequences for refusing me that I am about to unleash against you are your fault. I am going to starve you for resources for decades, and any bad outcomes for your economy are your fault. You should not have refused me.

Overthrow Fidel and democratically install a leader, instead of whatever nonsense you're pedalling.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by tucnak »

johncolanduoni wrote: post #360
vlovich123 wrote: post #355

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I’m really not sure what you’re going on about. Russia and China won’t cut off Iran and will be more than happy to have them pay to connect to VPN providers in country (eg the routes advertised will only let them connect to VPN providers). Or you can use botnets to proxy your traffic for you.

Okay, but now you’re running a country-scale VPN service in Russia or whatever, and somebody has to pay for it. Or you have to acquire a botnet, again to handle the internet of a whole country. These are non-trivial barriers to overcome, and simply having transit to Russia does not solve them.

You know they can run NAT at the border right? Iran -> Russia -> the rest of the Internet. Russians would never re-advertise Iranian routes, and because they're all such good pals they could let them use whatever segment, so all Iranian traffic would simply appear as Russian traffic to the rest of the Internet, using normal residential subnets of which there are plenty. No need to ever involve the commercial VPN providers, and the scale would be negligible considering we're only talking about "the elites" of which there aren't many.

This is not as hard as you think.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by siev »

_ink_ wrote: post #137
mahdi7d1 wrote: post #66

I've been moderately happy this morning to find out I can open hackernews. Also Gmail is working. After attempting to get bridges using email and configuring an dozen of them I got 100% connection but then it disconnected without me being able to connect to anything. I would assume some sort of tunneling must be possible cause the services available are varied and not limited to a few websites (We only had access to…

I there anything the outside world can do? Like are the people relying on https://snowflake.torproject.org/ and adding bandwidth there actually makes a difference?

I usually use snowflake as a last resort, and even that's not consistently working right now. However I've seen people recommend running Conduit[1] to friends overseas, which is an easy-to-use Psiphon proxy node. Psiphon is a popular circumvention tool here so that could be helpful.

[1] https://conduit.psiphon.ca/

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by jimbohn »

throw310822 wrote: post #305
jimbohn wrote: post #296

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When it comes to the internet, it seems to me that "the other parties" here carries a lot of weight when it comes to disinfo, polarizing propaganda, etc.

Why, do you think that the US, where all the giant social network companies are based, isn't doing this on a massive scale, much larger than anything Russia or Iran (and probably China for now) could ever hope to do?

Because most propaganda I see online seems to have a clear direction, and because of some not-so-recent "scandals" where a bunch of American influencers/grifters were discovered to be paid by russia to incite civil war.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Post by trolleski »

idop wrote: post #180
trolleski wrote: post #162

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Half of killed in Gaza were kids. So the militants narrative is just untrue. However, if someone pick and chooses where to apply human rights, it's unethical to say the least.

If you say so

Psst, I'm not alone saying it...
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