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Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by chanux »

bl4ckneon wrote: post #234
davidee wrote: post #231

I've been using proton for a year after migrating from Rackspace and I'm done. Not because of this article, but I might as well pile on: 1. I use a custom domain. Turns out that there are two competing features, not-at-all documented. If you use a catch-all, like I do, AND use specific addresses for sending, the two are incompatible to some degree. Which is bonkers. Example: with a catchall I can create any address I…

You also get simplelogin for free, give that a try. Will probably fix your first issue

Does SimpleLogin only support ProtonMail addresses? This was my impression the last I tried and hence moved on instead of fighting it.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by EasyMark »

stilldavid wrote: post #257
ink_13 wrote: post #253

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What are you going to do instead? I am very close to moving from a 20-year-old GMail address to a custom domain and was planning to use Proton as the email host.

Seconding fastmail. I have a catch-all and can reply from any address I please. If I reply from an email sent to retailer@mydomain.com it even auto populates the "from" address for me with "retailer", or I can choose to reply from one of my named accounts. It's really slick.

I think the big downside for a lot of people is that it's hosted in the USA where the government is definitely headed in an autocratic direction that is abusive of most countries who don't comply to rantings from an orange madman. Definitely a huge downside.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by cindyllm »

EasyMark wrote: post #362
stilldavid wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seconding fastmail. I have a catch-all and can reply from any address I please. If I reply from an email sent to retailer@mydomain.com it even auto populates the "from" address for me with "retailer", or I can choose to reply from one of my named accounts. It's really slick.

I think the big downside for a lot of people is that it's hosted in the USA where the government is definitely headed in an autocratic direction that is abusive of most countries who don't comply to rantings from an orange madman. Definitely a huge downside.

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Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by vee-kay »

bigyabai wrote: post #288
vee-kay wrote: post #256

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> because it was found that terrorists and perverts were using it for terror communications and digital sexual abuse. Lol, nondescript "terrorists and perverts" are the laughingstock of Western politics. Eyes roll whenever someone justifies drastic action on vague terrorism/perversion accusations: https://youtu.be/ud9zBKJJQe4 My bigger concern is Modi's international reputation for exacerbating crime statistics to ma…

People living in glass houses should not throw stones on others.

I am going to use your own words to show you the mirror now..

Your America and its democratically-voted (even if we can call gerrymandering such) orange dictator have become the "laughingstock of Western politics".

The "war on terror" excuse to do wars for oil, was coined by "Western politic(ian)s", "exacerbating" to "manufacture consent for authoritarian policy".

Recent example: Venezuela. It is pure greed and evil for a rich nation to seize a struggling country for its oil (struggling because of sanctions to prevent it from selling its oil legally). "Eyes roll whenever someone justifies drastic action on foreign nations based on vague pretexts/accusations".

Older example: Did the USA/NATO ever find those "Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq? Oh wait, the WMDs were there, because they brought them there.. to wage that war.. war not on terror... but war for oil. They didn't find any WMDs, but they certainly quickly found those rich oilfields, and then systematically looted them.. and finally set them on fire, when retreating.. from the war they started.. knowing that without that precious oil, the natives of that desert land will struggle to limp back to normalcy, especially with a Western puppet as a "democratic leader" for "positive influence on national politics".

Such tactics are not "a positive influence" on the world, because the world hates bullies. And thieves.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by _blk »

Kudos to Proton for how they handled it. Granted the email was wrong, and I'm sure they'll fix that process. But most companies don't even bother to write back when you bring something like this to their attention, much less issue an apology.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by christoph »

devnullbrain wrote: post #327
vintermann wrote: post #112

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To name and shame two: LinkedIn and MyHeritage. If you ever made an account with either of them, they will never stop spamming you. They have configuration options to select which mail to receive, but they appear to consider them temporary suggestions. A special dishonourable mention goes to Wal-mart. I never interacted with them in any way whatsoever, as well I wouldn't since they don't exist on my continent as far…

I guess you also received the Linkedin Gaming spam a couple of weeks ago? I opted out of almost every category and I never opted in to a category like that. So why is there now a new category which I have to opt out of? It seems to me blatant, unpunished disregard of GDPR - but their whole business was founded on abuse of emails and there's no reason to expect a Microsoft acquisition to make a company act more in lin…

That gaming email took me mentally straight back to Facebook circa 2009, and not in a good way. LinkedIn always serves as a fantastic example of exactly how not to treat your users.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by mschild »

There are a lot of valid concerns and complaints about Proton here but one positive thing that stood out to me is the fact that you can reach an actual human being without much fuss.

The amount of companies that I pay money to for one reason or another where its almost impossible to even find a "Contact Us" page much less being actually able to respond via email is way too high.

I had to contact Proton support twice in the 2 years since being subscribed to the Family Ultimate plan. Both times the support answered quickly and provided answers that solved my issues.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by nexoft »

Proton have a real problem with intrusive practices. 2 things that happened on the span of 2 years and almost got me to leave them :

1 - there was a persistent, very visible at all time big ass button on the Proton-Mail UI asking/suggesting to upgrade to a more premium plan, while I was already a paid customer. It was done in a way that was so wrong. Never experienced such frustrating things elsewhere even with my 99% full google drive.

2 - This must’ve been 2022 or 2023 Black Friday/cyber Monday season and there was a persistant, hardcoded, very annoying pop up that would immediately spawn each time I was opening Proton-Mail, asking me against to upgrade to the more premium plan than the premium I had, this will spawn every time I refresh despite hitting “don’t show this again”.

There are so many slick and smart way to get customer to use more services. Shoving unsolicited pop ups and spams is the worst thing you could do for your brand. I even start to wonder about their core values of privacy and whatnot, they play the suiss neutral privacy friendly so badly, their head of marketing is either so bad and should be fired or we going to discover another [Crypto AG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG) scandal.

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