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De-dollarization: Is the US dollar losing its dominance? (2025)

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Post by renewiltord »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #286
tsunamifury wrote: post #106

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Hopes or morality do not strictly dictate power as much as we might wish it to be true.

The number of Trump apologists lunatics who do not seem to understand what MAD was about is staggering. Industrial scale warfare isn't some secret forgotten by accident. The current American power-trip fantasy delusion is rightfully scaring the shit out of people, and the scary thing is the people who aren't scared. It's reaching the point that I think the best thing is for Germany to detonate a nuke between the US a…

Germany is a non-nuclear-weapon state. Our bombs are there yes, but if you use one of our bombs without our approval there will be hell to pay. An invasion of Greenland will be all but guaranteed. Whether Germany will retain its military the next day is questionable.

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Post by mlindner »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #310
touwer wrote: post #51

The US century is already over. It's just that a lot of US citizens don't see that. De-dollarization will happen when one is a traitor to it's allies

> US century is already over Maybe, maybe not. We're currently the Soviet Union in the 1970s. Gerontocratic. Sclerotic. Hyped up on a new mythology. And economically uncompetitive on several levels, with the future (then computers, now elecrification) sweeping past us to our applause. Unlike the Soviets, however, we can see it happening and debate it. If '26 and '28 change course, the damage will still be done. But t…

I'd agree with most of what you said, but there is no "raising a Gestapo". ICE has existed for 25 years. And the laws that give it permission to act haven't changed. It has gradually grown over the decades but what it fundamentally does has not.

What's new is finally the federal government pushing back against locales that refuse to allow local police to cooperate with federal law enforcement by means of massive influxes of federal officers to offset the lack of local support.

Also ICE has widespread support for what they are actually doing. Only when you ask manipulative questions that presume something is happening that isn't, do you get poll results that support a widespread dislike for ICE.

Re: De-dollarization: Is the US dollar losing its dominance? (2025)

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Post by RealityVoid »

throwaway132448 wrote: post #344
RealityVoid wrote: post #288

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> "Here's a bar of gold mate" Yeah, super convenient. Well worth it. I'll just go with gold bars on me to the market to buy lettuce.

Nobody is talking about using Bitcoin or gold for transactions. For which nobody does anyway. The whole discussion is about reserves.

OP was literally comparing payments in gold and in crypto. For which kind of transactions? I admit, it was unspecified, and it might have read too much into it.

By it sure does sound simpler to type some numbers that to cut up pieces of metal.

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Post by okanat »

nubg wrote: post #337
Aunche wrote: post #239

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We were in a lockdown, and Congress voted for multiple trillion dollar stimulus' financed by debt. Refusing to "print money" in those circumstances is just asking for a worse Great Depression.

Our of curiosity as I know nothing about economics, how would not printing miney lead to a Great Depression?

A crisis prevents people from earning money. No money means nobody buys anything. Nobody buys anything means no company can now sell stuff, so no revenue. Companies start closing down, so there are even more people who cannot earn money.

The government can print money and inject into the system. Some people have money so they continue to buy stuff but maybe at a slower pace or less amount. Things also can get expensive but it is not a total collapse.

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Post by epistasis »

ericmay wrote: post #354
epistasis wrote: post #256

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Does using the Renminbi require investing in securities? It's a very different thing to trust that China will maintain the value of its currency, than to trust that investment in Chinese companies will remain liquid and not be arbitrarily cut to a price of zero. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I also don't fully understand the need to have grander access to capital markets. Perhaps access to the equivalent of US Tre…

> I'm not saying you're wrong, but I also don't fully understand the need to have grander access to capital markets. Well if you use the renminbi or yuan as just a medium of exchange, well, why bother when you already have the dollar? To answer your question better, what is the point of access to capital markets of a country and how does that stabilize or strengthen its currency, or make it more highly sought after?

That is an excellent point! My intuition is that the yuan could be viewed as more reliable than the dollar, when the dollar is propped up precisely on the good will that gets destroyed by threatening invasion of allies. China does threaten plenty of invasions, but not in Europe or most of the rest of the world yet.

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ambicapter wrote: post #68
torlok wrote: post #44

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I've been trying to read more about investing properly recently and this is such an annoying characteristic of most advice you read. Sometimes it's also "well, economic theory says this, and that doesn't follow the behavior of these markets, so decide for yourself".

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Post by Havoc »

czhu12 wrote: post #279

The ultimate check and balance was always supposed to be the US consumer. It seems any major disruption to purchasing power will result in a backlash large enough to undo any policy and administration. I’d still bet that any sudden movements in this direction will be checked

>It seems any major disruption to purchasing power will result in a backlash large enough to undo any policy and administration.

That assumes it can be undone. Reversing course and hoping the damage done heals isn't a sure bet. Especially with timing delays.

There is definitely real risk here

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Post by dukeyukey »

missedthecue wrote: post #326
throwaway888666 wrote: post #223

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I am pretty sure the US has not 4.2 percent growth Source? I live in the US and I have lived in countries with 4-5 gdp growth

The latest US GDP print is the Q3 2025 Initial Estimate, showing real GDP grew at a 4.3% annual rate https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/us-economy-grew-thi...

That is an annualised figure, which means they took the Q3 figure by itself and multiplied it by 4. US annualised growth in Q1 would've been -2%.

Between Q1/2/3, US growth has been about 1.6%.

Wait until the whole year figures come out.

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Post by throwaway132448 »

ahnick wrote: post #318
drinkzima wrote: post #78

The issue is that there isn't a great alternative. The euro is difficult to manage because of the diffuse control, pound an even smaller economy, RMB just not global enough (and tough argument to see that happening), gold/bitcoin/whatever not the same inherent stability. Indeed the dollar weakening, but nothing really to take it's place.

Literally cryptocurrencies are the single greatest alternative ever made. Opt out of the system where the government can just print money into thin air and old guys drawing dots on a plot set interest rates in closed meetings. If you want to hedge USD exposure just buy a Bitcoin ETF or if you really can't stomach cryptocurrencies b/c you don't want to be ostracized from the orange site, buy Gold. We are not going bac…

Right up until you lose your internet access.
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