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Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by fragmede »

ninalanyon wrote: post #323
sharperguy wrote: post #310

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Mesh networks like meshtastic have shown that they can be run on very low power meaning they can continue to route messages with the power from small solar panels. This makes them more useful in disaster or wide scale power outage scenarios than only as an anti-authority measaure.

Who's going to pay to create all the nodes. You need a lot of them in normal times when it is just enthusiasts sending test messages and if large numbers of people start sending real messages you will need more.

paying to create the nodes isn't the hard part. The hard part is the protocol isn't designed for this and is easily overwhelmed. In case of adversarial attack, it's trivially going down because the protocol is easily attacked, as we see at any popular gathering like Defcon.

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Post by anthk »

immibis wrote: post #252
countWSS wrote: post #215

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How much of internet can Cloudflare turn off in italy? They picked a fight with the cloud gorilla.

When Spain blocks CF (it does this regularly), it breaks all CF sites. Of course, the actual problem here is organised crime. Spain and Italy do this because the mafia owns them.

In case of Spain, not the Mafia but ex-Francoist idiots. And if you want to know, our (ex?)-Fascists even bribed European mafias. Literally.

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Post by anthk »

immibis wrote: post #334
oarsinsync wrote: post #272

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> When Spain blocks CF (it does this regularly), it breaks all CF sites. Of course, the actual problem here is organised crime. Spain and Italy do this because the mafia owns them. Mafia has a vested interest in broadcast rights of football matches in Spain? Spain blocks Cloudflare because the football league La Liga has a court order that allows them to point to IP ranges that are hosting/fronting live streams of fo…

Which directly contravenes the Digital Services Act. And is only in place because LaLiga has strong ties to the mafia.

More than mafia, ex-francoists oligarchs. And these could be stomped down tomorrow from CF by cancelling all the tangent services for those, even for Spanish banks and related industries (tourist and construction avoiding both attacks and serious disbalancing harms). The Ibex 35 would near collapse overnight and Tebas being kicked out from their own people.

Re: Briar keeps Iran connected via Bluetooth and Wi-Fi when the internet goes dark

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Post by vagab0nd »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #133
btbuildem wrote: post #96

Take heed, Americaneez -- and prepare, because this may be in your future sooner than prediction markets would have you believe [1]. LoRa mesh networking seems like the runner-up, but vague reports indicate (Meshtastic) doesn't handle crowds well. I think Bitchat can use Meshtastic, so a LoRa radio paired with a phone could be a base for not just texting individuals, but community messaging. 1: https://polymarket.com…

Not to side track too much from this discussion, but I looked at that PolyMarket event: "US civil war before 2027?" Currently, it is priced at 91.3 USD cents for No. If you bet 100 USD, the payout for No will be 109.43. That is very good return -- ~9.5% for 12 months of lending (as PolyMarket required full payment at the time of trade). That is twice the (retail) risk free rate at the moment. I am actually tempted to…

> Am I missing something obvious?

To list a few: the risk of Polymarket going under, the risk of Polymarket mishandling your money, the risk of Polygon going under, the risk of Ethereum going under, the risk of USDC depegging, the risk of interests going up, and, most obvious of all, the risk of a civil war.

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Post by fragmede »

thenthenthen wrote: post #210
salviati wrote: post #208

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> we couldnt convince our friends and family to switch over. What was the deal breaker for them?

The ubiquity (network effect) and ‘convenience’ of other apps. This was more than a decade ago and our devices were an extra thing you needed to carry (travel router).

If/when you feel like trying again, Tailscale has made mesh routing available at a consumerish level.

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Post by derangedHorse »

btbuildem wrote: post #96

Take heed, Americaneez -- and prepare, because this may be in your future sooner than prediction markets would have you believe [1]. LoRa mesh networking seems like the runner-up, but vague reports indicate (Meshtastic) doesn't handle crowds well. I think Bitchat can use Meshtastic, so a LoRa radio paired with a phone could be a base for not just texting individuals, but community messaging. 1: https://polymarket.com…

Yeah, someone recently made a fork of the meshtastic firmware to support bitchat:

https://github.com/evansmj/firmware-bitchat-plugin

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Post by mrtesthah »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #163
mrtesthah wrote: post #151

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People don't get to vote to violate the constitutional rights of their fellow citizens.

If they're in the country illegally are they citizens?

ICE is violating my fourth amendment rights as a full US citizen when they demand proof of citizenship on the sole basis of my skin tone and occupation. There is zero constitutional basis for that. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ice-approaching-people-...

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Post by freehorse »

elAhmo wrote: post #292
freehorse wrote: post #200

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Not submitting to state censorship requests is not a great example of what is the problem with Big Tech as discussed here.

I wasn't referring to the state censorship request, but rather to the 'flocking' to self-proclaimed champions of free speech in the current Trump administrations as a cry for help.

I personally find that the fact that a private company compels a list of IPs and domains that they want blocked to get blocked more alarming than that.

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Post by ezst »

elAhmo wrote: post #291
ezst wrote: post #281

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Not OP but, oh common. This entire thing IS political. Big Tech IS in bed with the authoritarian US apparatus, they have been very transparent about it. What are you expecting to gain from your message? Pedantry points?

OP, not a bot. CF definitely chose to be political in the message, so regardless of what Italy did or who is right and wrong, posting that message is just a message that reliance on CF can just be a bad idea long-term.

Just for context, did you see this from CF's CEO? https://x.com/eastdakota/status/2009654937303896492

The bits about Vance, Musk and "freedom of speech" are not only completely unnecessary, but well over the top.

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Post by tonyhart7 »

kasey_junk wrote: post #330
tonyhart7 wrote: post #204

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I don’t think that video proves anything definitively fwiw. It doesn’t capture any harm to the officer nor any heightened or escalating behaviors afterwards. Nor does it show an officer in a using force inappropriately. If you think it does you are overlaying your own biases onto the video.

like I said before, I agree that its unfortunate event and how it ends but you must also understand why this is happening in the first place

she is obstructing the law enforcement. for what ???? defending illegal that defrauding tax payer billions of dollar ???? like if you still defending that shit then I guess there is treason that happening

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