Since it's inception, Palantir has extracted roughly 10 billion usd taxpayer money from the US government. God bless America.
Surprised it is so little!
‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid
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Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid
#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the idea of deporting people who have no legal status in this country is immediately branded Nazi It's not just that idea though. Plenty of presidents have done that without pushback. It's that idea combined with: * Rhetoric dehumanizing the immigrants * Raiding churches, courts, jobs, etc * Revoking legal status of immigrants * Reducing training time for new hires * Detaining U.S. citizens and threatening them * S…
I think a more comprehensive and simpler explanation is that the people protesting just hate this administration. They don't go about making lists like this and then think they need to go protest. They just see a guy they despise and start protesting. Hate is really powerful.
Hate is powerful, and I think that's part of what drives protests into riot. And some people to protests honestly. But I think the root of it is anger at the situation, not just the leader. And it doesn't negate the reasonableness of the concerns and worries people have.
I know one of the lead protest organizers where I live. They have a long list of things. Things they feel are bad and want reversed. And having known them for a long time, I can say they are internally consistent, and would be out there protesting if it was a Democratic president doing this, or more likeable person doing this. It's less about the hate, and more about concern for the direction things are going, and blatant disregard for the law.
Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid
#363Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It’s possible to simultaneously believe that ICE has a clear and ethical mandate while also believing that they are going about fulfilling that mandate via bad methods that need to change. Yes, that it is a set of things that it is possible one could believe. That is not an argument for it being a set of things that one ought to believe, as opposed to that ICE has a legal mandate that it isn't actually pursuing , a…
A queue is at best an undesirable consequences of particular choices about how to manage concerns about quantitative levels of immigration and particular impacts those levels might have, not an ideal to be pursued. I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
"The queue is a thing that tends to happen when you're trying to design policy with the aim of limiting/regulating immigration to amounts that wouldn't be problematic or unmanageable in some way, but the queue itself shouldn't be a goal"
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“Not listening” is really an incredible framing for trying to flee being detained for obstruction, and in the process hitting and nearly running over a federal agent in your SUV.
I forget that the punishment for obstruction is on-the-spot public execution by a trained officer.
Where did I say that? It’s ultimately up to a jury to decide whether lethal force was justified. Obstruct and provoke law enforcement at your own peril.
Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid
#365I’ve never worked at Palantir, but once you get past the noisy leadership’s villain virtue signaling, every report I’ve read about the platform itself gives me strong “typical enterprise vendor” vibes. A lackluster software offering that is overhyped to institutional purchasers, then shoved down frontline employees’ throats because the vendor is good at navigating the sales and compliance labyrinth to secure deals. T…
The fact that there is a demand for fake evil, functioning like fake piety did in the 1600s, is a flaw of difficult-to-encompass proportion. Our culture is totally bankrupt if companies are now pretending to be worse than they're in reality able to be. Of course, in contrast to piety all fake evil is also real evil.
The kind of vice-signaling Palantir employees do on this board is more pathetic than the guy who peaked in high school bragging about the time he woke up hungover in a pool of his own vomit.
"No really, I do consequential stuff! See, I met CCP premiers and shit, I supply analytics to help North Koreans assassins kill exiles living in the US! Trust me bro"
I've trolled so many Palantir employees since my freshman year in undergrad that if even 1% of their claims about their power and connections held any water, I would have been audited by the IRS at least once in my life and a "clerical error" would have happened with my car title leading to a weekend in jail for stealing my own car.
I only know 2 Palantir employees in real life, and they are both at least as lame as you would expect someone who says their uncle works for Nintendo to be.
One of them is married to a furry who cheated on him before they got married and supports "consensual love between adults and children", and the other displayed all the outward signs of an incel. The former looks like the old "Carl the Cuck" meme guy (Drew Pickles haircut and Frank Grimes glasses), and the latter told me some copypasta-tier story about how he was friends with "Chinese Princesses". I wish I had my screen caps of this conversation back in 2014, but I deleted Facebook a decade ago. It was bombastic compared to even the Navy Seal copypasta.
If I had to sum it all up, imagine a sysadmin for the Worcester, MA police department pretending to be Lex Luthor on HN for clout.
Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid
#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Torment Nexus You’re bringing in something that’s (vaguely and poorly, for no one knows what it actually could be) defined as something that fits the narrative and present it: “see, if we think up a tool that’s inherently evil by definition of it, it cannot be neutral”. We might, but could such tool actually exist? (And before we joke about building it, we can think up of its polar opposite too, something unquestio…
Isn’t the purpose of all thought experiments to define something that is relevant to what you’re trying to philosophize about? “Fitting a narrative” is a thought-terminating cliché. If we agree that there exists at least one thing theoretically whose invention would be unequivocally evil - without a morsel of moral justification, then surely there exists a moral spectrum on which all inventions lie, and the inventors…
> If we agree that there exists at least one thing theoretically whose invention would be unequivocally evil
My issue is that your use of the phrase "exists ... theoretically" quietly steps across the boundary between ideal (where anything is possible), and real (where only some things are possible).
In other words, I think that Torment Nexus doesn't exist. Only its idea does, and I don't see how that's possibly sufficient. Kinda like faster-than-light travel - it would change a lot of things - but only it if would be a real thing. AFAIK to best of our understanding it's not. Even though the idea surely exists.
I rather think that it's the meme of Torment Nexus is the actual thought-stopper, because exploring what it could possibly be is what the meme warns one about.
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Unfortunately while proselytizing about nuance, the side with the power and the guns is working overtime to make it so there is only one valid set of beliefs, and those beliefs are “American”. This is no longer a symmetric conflict of ideologies, I’m not sure what it’s going to take for people to realize this. A tidal wave of blue in the midterms I think is the only hope a lot of us have left. Maybe if that doesn’t c…
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How do you sleep at night being such a disingenuous person? Do you look in the mirror and see a liar? How does that make you feel?
Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid
#368Earlier quoted context omitted.
> believing that an immigration queue should exist and skipping it is immoral and should be illegal. Honestly, There is no queue for poor people, this is their only way, most of these people aren't even eligible for farm worker temp visa. US has created bureaucracy over the years in such a way that these people can never become legal. They are not skipping the line and taking some tech worker's spot or anything.
They're still illegal. You can and should defend yourself from poor strangers who view their circumstances as justification to infringe upon you. You can and should enforce your border.
How are they infringing on you specifically?
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#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are two really two major concerning issues with Palantir: 1. They provide tech that is used to select targets for drone strikes and apparently also for targeting violent attacks on US civilians. I don't know too much about how the algorithm works but simply outsourcing decisions about who lives or dies to opaque algorithms is creepy. It also allows the people behind the operations to avoid personal responsibili…
We agree, I think these are the more valid concerns than the "they are operating a data warehouse with all of the data in the entire universe" conspiracy theory that seems popular. I certainly think that Palantir has ethical issues; as I stated in my parent comment, it wouldn't be high on my list of choices for places to work. But, when it comes to things like (2), this is a failure of regulation and oversight and ne…
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Re: ‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid
#370Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that there is a demand for fake evil, functioning like fake piety did in the 1600s, is a flaw of difficult-to-encompass proportion. Our culture is totally bankrupt if companies are now pretending to be worse than they're in reality able to be. Of course, in contrast to piety all fake evil is also real evil.
The kind of vice-signaling Palantir employees do on this board is more pathetic than the guy who peaked in high school bragging about the time he woke up hungover in a pool of his own vomit. "No really, I do consequential stuff! See, I met CCP premiers and shit, I supply analytics to help North Koreans assassins kill exiles living in the US! Trust me bro" I've trolled so many Palantir employees since my freshman year…
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