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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by anon84873628 »

watwut wrote: post #350
anon84873628 wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine every protestor you see on video was instead standing rank and file in the street with a rifle on their shoulder. I.e. a well regulated militia. That would sure send a very different message, wouldn't it?

Message that "yes these are thugs and it is ok to kill them". Police can kill you if they feel fear or pretend to feel fear. And having a gun was already ruled valid legal reasom for police to kill people. If protesters carried guns, ICE could legally murder them. Not just J.D.Vance legaly, but legaly per how courts interpret such situations.

Well then that will be something for the courts to sort out, especially in the open carry states.

But I think you are underestimating the effect it will have on individual federal agents, who might decide the pay isn't good enough anymore.

These scenes are also put on for the benefit of the politicians watching.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by xboxnolifes »

watwut wrote: post #344
potato3732842 wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm gonna say the same thing I said the last time you trotted out this opinion (which is far more excusable now that you've outed yourself as a brit BTW). At a societal level the LARPers don't matter. They are a rounding error compared to all the people who have a single daily carry piece or purse gun or whatever. And those people affect the numbers and the risk calculations happening in offices far away. ICE is thug…

ICE is hopefully waiting for any sign of violence against them so that they can escalate even more. They do their best to provoke. You know where are all NRA and "have gun against govermental tyrrany" guys? In the ICE or supporting from sidelines. And they are itching for when they will finally be able to commit even more violence.

Sure, but not resisting ICE is also a desired outcome for them. May as well pick the one that might lead to a better outcome for the oppressed.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by everdrive »

epistasis wrote: post #101
everdrive wrote: post #82

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Well yes, but you can't tell a judge "yes, I broke the law, but it's OK because the government broke the law first."

Aren't you arguing against a straw man here? It seems that you can't address the concerns of the comment and are instead saying obvious truths as if that is somehow counter to the person you replied to.

I didn't intend to. When he said "But also note the government is punishing people for legal acts as well." I read this as "the government is breaking the law"

I think instead what that poster meant is was "people who didn't share classified information will be targeted and prosecuted as well."

So, apologies for misunderstanding.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by dabluecaboose »

pjc50 wrote: post #111
dabluecaboose wrote: post #56

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I don't know whether you've noticed, but being armed is simply giving the Federales more reasons to kill you first. The woman shot in Minneapolis was shot on the pretext of using her car as a weapon. How do people really expect this to work? In detail? You show up with an armed militia at a school and the ICE guys just drive on past (and then raid someone else)? Or are they expecting more of an Amerimaidan situation?…

Just so we're clear, you're arguing that ICE is already murdering people on the street with impunity, but people shouldn't defend themselves or they'll just get murdered harder?

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by shermantanktop »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #122
shermantanktop wrote: post #69

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One final resolution is the guillotine, dangling upside down on a meat hook, or a bunker fire. Those are extreme but we have to wonder what will stop a specific leader from pushing so far that they meet such a fate. This personality type does not stop unless they have to.

> One final resolution is the guillotine Did you miss the lesson from the actual guillotine? It’s just another escalation in the cycle. The parties switch from raiding to guillotining each other. The guillotine doesn’t solve the problem, it just raises the stakes.

Sure. Final resolution for that leader, in any case. But in the cycles of history, those events are almost always inflection points where something new happens. For the Terror, that lasted a while, but then we got Napoleon, which was definitely a new chapter.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by dabluecaboose »

mywittyname wrote: post #360
dabluecaboose wrote: post #56

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> The American Left has spent the better part of the last century attacking the 2nd Amendment, limiting firearms ownership, and portraying gun owners as paranoid losers. That would drive many on-the-fence gun owners away from supporting them. No we didn't. Promoting safe and conscientious gun ownership is a good thing, and it's the right thing for society. It's actually a pretty common feeling among gun owners. But g…

> We are a minority, sure, but not a small one.

So you are actually supporting my point. Conscientious, civically-minded people who own guns are unfortunately a minority on the (American) Left.

> And I still believe this - more than ever. You'd have to be insane to stand up to the current government right now.

Then you should be quibbling with my parent commenter who is smugly asking why the "gun people" aren't shooting back, not me.

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Post by parineum »

reducesuffering wrote: post #143
INTPenis wrote: post #103

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Serious question from a clueless european here, who should they vote for? To us on the outside, getting filtered news that trickles down, it just seems like there are no candidates. One is 79 and one is 83, where are all the young politicians? Why does the media choose to only emphasize a few of them at the time?

If you're talking age, the US just had a 60 year old run in the last election and the party that complained to no end about the elderly running for office still voted for the 80 year old. Next election, the other frontrunner is currently 58. We had a strong 38 year old candidate in 2020 but the South collectively still doesn't like gay people enough to have him win the primary.

> We had a strong 38 year old candidate in 2020 but the South collectively still doesn't like gay people enough to have him win the primary.

That 38 year old, along with the rest of the center left candidates, all dropped out to ensure the 70 year old candidate could beat the other 70 year old candidate. "The South" had nothing to do with it.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by eli »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #271
eli wrote: post #250

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Sure, though the government routinely searches the personal property of innocent people if they think that search will yield information about a suspect. The issue here is the American tradition of a free press and the legitimate role of leaks in a free country. The PBS article is a bit better on context: > The Justice Department over the years has developed, and revised, internal guidelines governing how it will res…

> the government routinely searches the personal property of innocent people if they think that search will yield information about a suspect. If that's true, it's a direct violation of the fourth amendment. I'll paste it here for convenience: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall iss…

They get a warrant

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by mywittyname »

watwut wrote: post #344
potato3732842 wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm gonna say the same thing I said the last time you trotted out this opinion (which is far more excusable now that you've outed yourself as a brit BTW). At a societal level the LARPers don't matter. They are a rounding error compared to all the people who have a single daily carry piece or purse gun or whatever. And those people affect the numbers and the risk calculations happening in offices far away. ICE is thug…

ICE is hopefully waiting for any sign of violence against them so that they can escalate even more. They do their best to provoke. You know where are all NRA and "have gun against govermental tyrrany" guys? In the ICE or supporting from sidelines. And they are itching for when they will finally be able to commit even more violence.

They are escalating regardless.

I'm convinced the whole point of pulling a phone out to film a murder is because they having a long-term strategy for slowly boiling the frog and it's gamified for agents. I'm certain that dude got a bonus, an award, and is up for promotion for walking the administration up the next rung of the tyranny ladder.

"achievement unlocked"

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