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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

> Omarchy

Had high hopes for it but in my testing the mouse cursor chokes and drops frames/precision under load which I just can’t deal with.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by user2722 »

dijit wrote: post #233
user2722 wrote: post #214

May not have been a fair test. Windows is running the kernel in a kinda VM which older computers have not been optimized for -- newer generations of CPU can smooth out the overhead. For a fair test against Windows 10 and below, you'll have at least to do this: "Temporarily turn off your Memory Integrity and VMP" -- https://support.microsoft.com/en-US Also, it's important to have all bits and pieces of Hyper-V/Windows…

You’re advocating for a flawed test. Why is it, when ever someone points out that Microsoft shits the bed on something someone will come out with ludicrous ideas about changing the default environment. The default environment is what you get, all this handwringing about whats potentially possible misses the point entirely; for decades we have, as a community, scoffed at linux for requiring you to understand deeply ho…

Valid point. However also note the exec you mentioned wouldn't have Windows 11 on his laptop -- he would be stuck on the out of date, faster, Windows 10.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dijit »

user2722 wrote: post #363
dijit wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re advocating for a flawed test. Why is it, when ever someone points out that Microsoft shits the bed on something someone will come out with ludicrous ideas about changing the default environment. The default environment is what you get, all this handwringing about whats potentially possible misses the point entirely; for decades we have, as a community, scoffed at linux for requiring you to understand deeply ho…

Valid point. However also note the exec you mentioned wouldn't have Windows 11 on his laptop -- he would be stuck on the out of date, faster, Windows 10.

No, they’ll be using a W11 on an old laptop provided by IT

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by novaleaf »

Rohansi wrote: post #284
novaleaf wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet the friend just pressed the Windows key, and typing "Calc" and quickly pressing enter caused Bing to search for calc instead. Common failure because window's start-menu search/load/discovery is a total mess.

Even in this case it opens the calculator. Web search results are further down.

if you are searching for something for the first time (or after caching invalidates), it seems like it prioritizes search sources that have already completed.

on my computer, that means web-search almost always completes first. So most of the time if I type in something "new" and don't wait, it'll bring up Bing.

Sometimes it looks like "downloads folder" file search completes before Installed app search completes, because on one occasion I typed in an app's name and it launched the INSTALLER for the app.

once all the searchs resolve it behaves "as expected". I am very surprised if you don't have the same symptoms I'm describing. Why is your computer behaving different from every Win11 install I ever interact with?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dawnerd »

spixy wrote: post #356
dawnerd wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Mac doesn’t randomly reboot, doesn’t force updates on shutdown, doesn’t have weekly updates that require updates. IMO Apple handles updates much better than Windows. Windows still reboots instead of shut down when you do update and shut down.

They fixed it recently: https://www.techpowerup.com/342538/windows-11-finally-fixes-...

It must have regressed again, just happened this morning.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by LexiMax »

jaredhallen wrote: post #336
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #173

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If you want an OS to simply do stuff Linux is now clearly superior. However, I found Omarchy to be whatever the opposite of a sweet spot is. It brings all the complications of a tiling WM, so you still have to learn a complicated new way of using your system, but at the same time it is extremely opinionated so instead of ending with a tailored custom tiling WM that suits your needs at the end of the learning curve, y…

I love Linux. I've been using it for about 25 years now. I try to be a realist, and historically, it has always been my opinion that it is a less polished experience, suitable mainly for power users. But my opinion now is that many flavors actually do offer a superior desktop user experience for most use cases.

This might not be a popular opinion, but in my experience stock GNOME is quite the polished experience.

In the grand pantheon of my experience using operating systems, Snow Leopard-era macOS is probably my favorite, mostly due to how smoothly everything worked and the degree to which it got out of my way once I learned the ropes, but GNOME circa Fedora 30 was a close second.

I say stock because I also remember trying out Ubuntu-flavored GNOME at around the same time and the comparison was stark. It felt like Cannonical went out of their way to tweak the environment in ways that sound good on paper, but just added papercuts and made the overall experience less stable.

I also remember trying Manjaro at around the same time. On first boot, the welcome popup that was designed to come out of the taskbar instead popped out of the top left corner of the screen.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dataflow »

golden-face wrote: post #153
dataflow wrote: post #73

Windows 11 is fast enough if you... disable a million things on it that >99% of users wouldn't know when/how to, or wouldn't want to. Definitely depressing.

Can you expand on this? For example details on any tools to do this. I've been trying to disable features I know use resources and aren't needed but the native UIs to do it are hella confusing and feel purposely useless.

Sure thing. Probably the highest-RoI changes performance-wise (there may be negative implications for security or functionality, obviously proceed at your own risk) are to disable the various services and drivers that belong to either Windows Defender or the various filesystem filter drivers on your system. You can't disable everything (expect a freeze/crash if you disable the wrong ones) but you can disable most.

That, and switch back to the classic GUIs (like with OpenShell) so you don't have to deal with the laggy new UIs.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Rohansi »

novaleaf wrote: post #366
Rohansi wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in this case it opens the calculator. Web search results are further down.

if you are searching for something for the first time (or after caching invalidates), it seems like it prioritizes search sources that have already completed. on my computer, that means web-search almost always completes first. So most of the time if I type in something "new" and don't wait, it'll bring up Bing. Sometimes it looks like "downloads folder" file search completes before Installed app search completes, be…

I just tried a search for "downloads" and the first result was "Downloads folder privacy settings". I never search for that so it wasn't cached. I even pasted in the query to give it less time to search before pressing enter.

I don't think I've changed any settings for search. Everything is still enabled. There's over 250,000 items in the search index so I haven't removed indexed locations. My computer is pretty much a high-end gaming PC using last generation CPU and GPU. But really I've never seen this behavior anywhere - including my very basic laptop. Maybe I could see this happening on computers that are still using a HDD but I haven't tested that.

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