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Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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If it helps anyone I take antidepressants and have had a positive experience with them. Depression can be caused by a chemical imbalance and no amount of exercise or talking about it will fix it. One of the most frustrating things when your really low is people giving advice like do exercise to feel better - please don’t do this.

Some times its almost like telling a person in the middle of a heart attack that they ought to change their diet and start exercising more.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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This kind of makes sense. Most forms of depression have to do with not wanting to do something or lacking motivation to do so. Whereas in sports, people get busy usually, they do something, even if it may just be soccer playing. Exercise is also usually good for one's physical well-being, blood circulation increases, muscles may improve, pain may go away (depends on the exercise, but usually say, two days after some…

Observation bias. Those who succeed to drive themselves to do an effort, are already out of the depression. Try doing 7hrs sports a week and falling into depression: You won’t have the energy. It’s not sports that gets you out of depression, but sure it’s a stage on the way back and you gotta constantly give it a chance.

This is spot on. "To stop being sick you just have to do all the stuff healthy people do, and not do the stuff sick people do! I have never seen a healthy person being sick, so it must work!".

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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I would assume that "doing something" is the key here? Successfully doing exercise probably has add on benefits that you can more successfully do other things afterward. But successfully reading a book can help me get out of depression. Successfully cleaning the kitchen. Really, just successfully doing anything is a huge cure against depression.

Its also a huge sign you are already on your way out of the depression.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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This leads to a fairly obvious conjecture : That since for 100,000 years humans were roaming the landscape gathering or hunting, and for 10,000 years engaged in heavy agricultural work, is the modern day rise in depression not just correlated but caused by the modern day reduction in daily heavy exercise? It’s such an obvious idea I am wondering if folks know of any research / studies on it?

>is the modern day rise in depression

I think it was quite hard to get an appointment for a depression diagnosis 100,000 years ago.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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I am neurodivergent, I have experienced exactly what your saying myself for my entire life.. I know the feeling, and to assume I dont/have "always had a way" because I found a way out, iss a very victim way of living. My advice still stands, look deeper. If you want to sit in a hole and repeat how there's no hope, you can, but it wont do anything. You arent different or special. You have hope. I didnt have it easier,…

>I didnt have it easier, I fought harder No you didn't. Try to build yourself up without putting others down, how is that challenge?

Truth hurts

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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You arent the only human whos had a issue with not getting things done, its normal, and its hackable. Brains are hackable. I dont mean to say you implied it, but its easy to dig a larger hole when you believe you are special, or you have tried "all" the advice. Every problem has a solution, and I beg you to search deeper to what you do even in task-paralysis states. That might be where your mission comes from. It hel…

>t helped me to have a life goal that was bigger than life, ego, or energy. Maybe you havent found it yet. If you have, I apologize if I sound cocky! You are incredibly cocky, and naive and have very little insight on other peoples situation. You are reducing peoples various illnesses to something that can be solved if they just tried a bit harder not to be sick. If only it was so easy.

Its funny, because thats exactly how it works...

I've had severe mental illness and I suffer from it daily.

You still arent special. Im not lacking some unique viewpoint just because you are mentally ill. Try harder. Stop being weak.

Unless its schizophrenia/bipolar, then take ur meds

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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No, is generally about discipline and building good habits. Willpower or lack thereof is largely irrelevant. I'm not convinced that willpower is even a real thing.

Dicipline and the ability to build good habits is out of the window for a lot of people due to different illnesses. You come across as trying to sell snake oil to people with a heart attack.

If you try hard enough you can always find a plausible sounding excuse for failure. Discipline and good habits are the most effective way to prevent heart attacks in the first place. While there are a tiny fraction of people with serious mental health conditions or developmental disabilities which prevent them from making progress, that hardly applies to anyone on HN.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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Way too many people treat ADHD as an excuse of not following proper task-management rules. They are so special that no rules could possible apply to them. To all hundreds of millions of them... This is backwards. In practice, it should be the exact opposite. ADHD people should be MORE vigilant regarding the correct behavior, rules, habits. It is neurotypical people who have some leeway to be lazy with what and how th…

>ADHD people should be MORE vigilant regarding the correct behavior, rules, habits. Yes, but that doesn't make the ADHD fully go away. >actually solvable with typical means without reinventing the wheel. Yes, and they are defined by medical science, not your "think deeper". >The fact that life is harder to organize and manage for ADHD people only means that they should pay EXTRA attention to doing right things the co…

> Yes, but that doesn't make the ADHD fully go away.

Not an argument.

> Wow great insight, a bit hillarious with the part of asking adhd people pay extra attention. Should the guy with a neurological problem just pay extra attention to moving his leg, and he will soon run as fast as the rest?

Yes, if you have problems with inattentiveness, then you can't just eyeball the size of the fabric and cut. You actually need to measure. In worst case, you should measure and remeasure several times, as well as use the pen to draw a straight line with a ruler, instead of just keeping the finger and trusting that you can make the line straight during cutting.

If have no trouble concentrating, you can just work in a cafe or an open office. If you have problems, then take extra steps to get rid of distractions (quiet office, noise cancelling headphones, work-inducing music, etc).

If you have more difficulties getting into the zone, make extra effort organizing yourself: blocking working uninterrupted time on the calendar, disabling notifications, using airplane mode etc.

Have trouble concentrating and the mind wandering? Even more important to keep a proper task/idea/knowledge management system to offload the brain.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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I wasn't suggesting using willpower to power through the problems. I was suggesting setting up a system, that would fit you and would enable you to live a better and more efficient life. Willpower is useful in setting up the system, to learn it. Not to operate it. Please watch this fundamental video: https://youtu.be/bcKthx5LTbI On a surface it is about dieting, but the lessons can be applied to the rest of the life.…

How can diet replace the wheels? Think bipolar disorder is curable through diet change? Think harder.

We were talking about healthy people with adhd, not about bipolar people (who need serious medical help) or people with 60iq. No amount of running technique is going to help a legless person.

Re: Exercise can be nearly as effective as therapy for depression

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You read, but did not actually listen to my explanation of energy. I gave it for a damn good reason; because most people misunderstand it and my explanations light the bulbs in people's heads. You also totally missed the point of suggestions entirely. I assume that happened because you were out of brain/willpower energy. My suggestions were not to try harder. They were the exact opposite, they were about: 1. constrai…

>You also totally missed the point of suggestions entirely. I assume that happened because you were out of brain/willpower energy. No, you are pretty bad at communicating. You should try a bit harder, because this is obviously at 10% tops.

You wouldn't handle my 100%, seeing how you consistently misunderstand my 10%.
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