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Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by perching_aix »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #350
perching_aix wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The "regime" is a republic with regularly held presidential (8 presidents in 45 years) and parliamentary elections. I'd think the regime thing refers to the Supreme Leader of 36 years and his Guardian Council, no?

so are kings of England, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Netherlands & Arabia. The Guardian Council is an elected body with the power to remove the so-called "Supreme Leader", so his power is limited too and is not hereditary, unlike monarchies of Europe and Asia

> so are kings of England, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Netherlands & Arabia

The first six of which to my understanding are token roles, sometimes de jure, but definitely de facto. This is unlike the role of the Iranian Supreme Leader, who according to my findings is heavily involved and has the license to do so.

I don't know what country Arabia is supposed to be.

> The Guardian Council is an elected body with the power to remove the so-called "Supreme Leader", so his power is limited too

You know that I considered and checked for all of this ahead of time, right? These loopholes are very on the nose.

The Supreme Leader directly elects 6 of the Guardian Council members, but also the judiciary chief, who elects the other 6.

The Supreme Leader is elected and kept in position by the people-elected Assembly of Experts, the applications for which are... filtered through by the Guardian Council. And considering they have never exercised their authority to as much as condemn but especially to remove a Supreme Leader according to my search, it's a reasonable conclusion that either everything is magically harmonious over there, or this authority in practice is a token one too.

I have also looked into whether these bodies are partial, and not only is this true covertly, it is true openly. Candidates that don't fit the bill on any of these levels are proudly filtered out in droves.

I'm really quite unconvinced you're here to inform with honesty in mind.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by perching_aix »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #354
amir734jj wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the supreme leader elects the Guardian Council, and their memeber elect Assembly of Experts that elect the supreme leader :) We have ChatGPT. We are not dumb. Stop the propaganda.

> But the supreme leader elects the Guardian Council No he doesn't... Half of are recommended by judiciary to be approved by Parliament, the other half are appointed by the supreme leader for six year term. This ensures all three branches of government have equal stakes. It's not unlike the House of Lords in England, half of whose members are appointed by the king or are hereditary. The Assembly of Experts members ar…

> The Assembly of Experts members are elected directly by the people every 8 years,

But who gets on the ballot is controlled by the Guardian Council. So it's like how you could get the first car Ford produced in any color, as long as that color was the color black.

Surely this is not new info to you?

> Who elects your king? Trump or Satanyahu

If you think this is a boxing or football match of some sort, please consult the forum guidelines. We're not here to beat each other (or you) down.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #66
uyzstvqs wrote: post #37

Can't wait for a certain dictator to get a cellmate, so that our Persian and Kurdish friends can have freedom, including free unrestricted internet access. And for fellow HN users from there, here's some great stuff: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ https://bitchat.free/

I'm also curious about LoRA / sneakernet applications. Have those been widely used in cases of censorship?

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Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by orbital-decay »

FilosofumRex wrote: post #181
ithkuil wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently a lot of people in the west too are assuming that these protests are fueled by the west. At least that's the most likely explanation for why so many left leaning youth are not supporting Iranians while supporting Palestine. Apparently the fight is not about freedom but about (perceived) whiteness vs non-whiteness

No, they're just better educated about Iran than are you. Iran provides substantial food, fuel, education and healthcare subsidies to the average citizen and has a very effective state bureaucracy which functions independent of political appointees. Pensioners' checks are issued regularly and social services are delivered by charitable "Bonyads", which are run by local mosques, which don't report to any government mi…

Fuel is cheaper than dirt in Iran and until recently has been free, but there are also shortages, and it's incredibly shitty - travelers are consistently having all kinds of engine issues after using it. To be fair, fuel quality is spotty in Afghanistan, Pakistan and many parts of India as well, but seeing this in a petrostate can tell you something about the effectiveness of that bureaucracy.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by bert64 »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #341
dgrin91 wrote: post #330

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> they can censor IPv4 when they want, but they don't know how to censor IPv6 I'm curious why this is the case? As far as I know the primary benefits of v6 is just the increased address space. Does it provide any privacy benefits? What would prevent Iran from doing the same censorship?

Just DPI hardware not supporting IPv6.

Likely very old/outdated hardware. China is heavily pushing v6 and their "great firewall" has no problem with it.

Another issue they may have however is v6 enabling internal p2p communications directly between users whereas legacy addressing with cgnat does not, although they could block this pretty easily if they wanted.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by bert64 »

iso1631 wrote: post #22
cogman10 wrote: post #16

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IDK for sure, but might be harder to maintain, monitor, and block. One characteristic of v4 is it's somewhat reasonable to do a straight forward block on a range of addresses to shut down access. This is still somewhat possible with v6, but harder as there's simply a much larger portion of ip addresses that can be all over the place. It's theoretically a lot easier for anyone that wants to bypass a simple filter to g…

n ipv4 /32 is roughly equivalent to an ipv6 /56 or /64 You'd typically block an AS - i.e. every IP originating from AS12345. That's just as easy on v6 as v4.

Only legacy address space is frequently bought and sold, so it moves between AS#s a lot and is also heavily fragmented.

With v6 this is not the case, a given AS# will typically have a single large allocation and can make it larger if they need to, it won't be sold and moved and an entity can't trade it in to get a different allocation.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by bert64 »

stackskipton wrote: post #51
School-Cotton wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they want to block IPv6 specifically?

It's much more difficult to block. A lot of anti censorship organizations have trouble getting more IPv4 /24 for cost reasons or moving it around to different AS since they would go offline. With IPv6, you can get IPv6 /40 from ARIN/RIPE no problem. You slice that up into /48 and just start bouncing it all over the place. When one /48 goes down, you move everything to another /48, switch providers if required and con…

You can get a large block, split it up and announce it from different places but that doesn't stop someone blocking your larger allocation.

Getting multiple blocks is harder - the RIRs will want justification for this, and would rather give you a single large block than lots of fragmented ones.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by FilosofumRex »

perching_aix wrote: post #361
FilosofumRex wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so are kings of England, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Netherlands & Arabia. The Guardian Council is an elected body with the power to remove the so-called "Supreme Leader", so his power is limited too and is not hereditary, unlike monarchies of Europe and Asia

> so are kings of England, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Netherlands & Arabia The first six of which to my understanding are token roles, sometimes de jure, but definitely de facto. This is unlike the role of the Iranian Supreme Leader, who according to my findings is heavily involved and has the license to do so. I don't know what country Arabia is supposed to be. > The Guardian Council is an elected body with the…

> The first six of which to my understanding are token roles, sometimes de jure, but definitely de facto.

All European kings have the power to dismiss the elected prime ministers and are the nominal head of the armed forces. Iran "Supreme Leader" has never removed any elected presidents or members of parliament and has no authority over government expenditures or taxes, therefore is not responsible for mis-management of economy.

So those who call for his removal are not motivated by economic hardship but are politically motivated who can't win democratic elections

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by bert64 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #48
observationist wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the Starlink and other contraband uplinks are using ipv6, allowing connectivity for people the regime doesn't want to have contact with the rest of the world. They don't want the revolution broadcast or popularized.

I wouldn't think blocking terrestrial IPv6 links would have anything to do with blocking Starlink.

Since starlink supports v6, starlink users can p2p communicate with other v6 users. Both starlink and local carriers don't provide proper legacy connectivity, they are encumbered by cgnat so p2p does not work. Without p2p communications, users are forced into a client-server model and it's much easier to block a small number of servers rather than millions of potential peers.

Re: Iran Goes Into IPv6 Blackout

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Post by FilosofumRex »

amir734jj wrote: post #357
FilosofumRex wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the supreme leader elects the Guardian Council No he doesn't... Half of are recommended by judiciary to be approved by Parliament, the other half are appointed by the supreme leader for six year term. This ensures all three branches of government have equal stakes. It's not unlike the House of Lords in England, half of whose members are appointed by the king or are hereditary. The Assembly of Experts members ar…

It's a circular logic. He elects people who elect him. Again. I don't want a king. I want people not to die when they go protest. AM I ASKING TOO MUCH?? It seems like you are great at repeating propaganda points and don't actually live in Iran because otherwise you wouldn't have internet.

> It's a circular logic. He elects people who elect him.

"Supreme Leader" does not elect anyone, he appoints the head of judiciary, according to the tradition and customs of Sharia law. People elect parliament, president and Assembly of Experts. The Guardian Counsel's only power is to certify minimum qualifications of candidates, according to election laws not personal prerogative of the "Supreme Leader".

Iran's "regime" is only 45 years old, the first 8 years of which was in war and the last 25 years, under sanctions by the Western "democracies". This is after 3,000 years of absolute monarchy or occupation.

You, your king and your Mossad handlers may control the internet, but will never be able to return to Iran.

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