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Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by ixtli »

woodruffw wrote: post #236

Of note: the US's per capita consumption of meat has increased by more than 100 pounds over the last century[1]. We now consume an immense amount of meat per person in this country. That increase is disproportionately in poultry, but we also consume more beef[2]. A demand for the average American to eat more meat would have to explain, as a baseline, why our already positive trend in meat consumption isn't yielding p…

I think its dangerous to engage with this website as an earnest attempt to make people healthier as individuals or as a population and not a metastasis of woo-fueld ignorance of data and trends like you're talking about whos goal is ultimately just to sell shit to desperate people.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by llm_nerd »

Phew! Finally Americans can stop eating according to the old dietary guidelines! Everyone clear out your pantries and fridges and get with the new hotness. Those old guidelines, you see, were the cause of all of the obesity and poor health!

...wait, you mean to tell me extraordinarily few Americans actually listened to guidelines? That this is all performative nonsense?

Honestly, it isn't as ignorant as I expected (although it of course pushes for "whole milk" and other bits of ignorant advice), but it's basically playing on the ignorance of the readers. Americans already eat some of the most amounts of protein worldwide -- yet of course proclaims an imaginary "war on protein" strawman -- yet also are one of the fattest and least healthy countries.

People actually following the prior guidelines in earnest would likely be in great metabolic shape. But Americans don't: They gobble cheeseburgers and drink a dozen cokes and complain that stupid big medicine is trying to con them, while reciting some nonsense a supplement huckster chiropractor told them on YouTube.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by [deleted] »

galoisscobi wrote: post #9

Ironic that a steak is one of the three things showing up on the landing page. Is that the beef lobby money coming in? I enjoy an occasional steak but if the goal is to improve diet of masses, it’s not the food I’d put at the center.

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Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by kzrdude »

samrus wrote: post #15

As someone with psoriotic arthritis, this is just my diet (plus avoiding gluten) and honestly following it has made me feel alot better even aside from preventing the psoriosis Good initiative from the government, i wouldnt have expected them to do something that messes with junk food corporations profits like this

Exactly, if one eats like the top shelf of the pyramid (minus the milk products) this looks like autoimmune protocol diets.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by doctorpangloss »

woodruffw wrote: post #271
givemeethekeys wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet the number of vegans and vegetarians in the US are also at their highest (and growing).

That's probably true, but I don't think vegans and vegetarians as a demographic overlap closely with demographics that tend to have heart disease. (Note that I am neither a vegetarian nor a vegan.)

nothing stops you from reading more about the topics before commenting on them haha

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by malyk »

dfee wrote: post #291
parl_match wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a weightlifter and as part of my training, I eat pretty close to about a pound of meat a day during bulk, usually about 12-14oz. This is because I need to eat about 200g of protein a day. I supplement it with protein shakes. I find that to be a challenging amount of meat. It's a lot! And to find out that's average ??? Americans eat way too much meat. Cheese, too.

I too try for 200g of protein/day, with meat and supplements by shakes. It’s difficult to eat more meat than that, because of how it fills you up, its prep requirements and its cost. I don’t believe that the average American eats nearly a pound of meat per day. I do believe if the average American ate meat before carbs, we could get there, and all be a lot healthier, though. For me, processed carbs make me much hungr…

I think this is person dependant. A Kale salad makes almost no impact on my hunger, but a piece of bread makes me feel pretty full.

Just as an example of an opposite experience.

(american, vegetarian for 13 years, athletic, former meat eater, long carb centric diet that i'm trying to change)

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by cosmicgadget »

ch4s3 wrote: post #255
woodruffw wrote: post #236

Of note: the US's per capita consumption of meat has increased by more than 100 pounds over the last century[1]. We now consume an immense amount of meat per person in this country. That increase is disproportionately in poultry, but we also consume more beef[2]. A demand for the average American to eat more meat would have to explain, as a baseline, why our already positive trend in meat consumption isn't yielding p…

I'd strongly prefer the government just not try to tell people what to eat, the incentives will always be perverse and nutrition science is anything but science in most cases. EDIT down-thread to prove my point you'll see people citing studies in favor of and against the new recommendations. The studies are almost always in animals or use self reported data with tiny sample sizes.

The whole point of government performing the function is that they don't profit from misleading you, rather their goal is the country's welfare.

Obviously there are exceptions - particularly right now - but those are solved by rooting out corruption.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by brainwad »

omgJustTest wrote: post #243
jdlshore wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says 1.2-1.6 grams of protein and healthy fats per kilogram of body weight, from animal and plant sources (including milk). Is that really advocating for more meat?

90g of protein, what is recommended for me, is like 4 hamburgers or a 16oz steak per day ...

That's not really a lot of protein on a low carb diet like they are suggesting.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Post by kzrdude »

sudobash1 wrote: post #43

> Protein target: 1.2–1.6 grams per kilogram of body weight per day. I was amused to see (kilo)grams used for the weights. I'll admit that as an American, I have no idea what my weight is in kilograms. Body weight is something that I always think of in pounds. I do use grams sometimes in food prep, but I think even that makes me a bit of an abnormality around here. Not that I am complaining about their unit choice. I…

I think it's really slow, but youtube & internet has me hopeful that metric units are coming through slowly, for example for cooking.
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