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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by MaoSYJ »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #305
egypturnash wrote: post #282

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Everyone who was on Livejournal before G+ “invented” “Circles” had absolutely no problem with locking posts to “friends” (people they followed) or various “friends groups” that were subsets of their friends. It was fucking hilarious to see everyone say it was too hard on G+. Just two dropdowns right there on the new post page next to the main text field. Super simple. Creating and editing the groups was a pretty simp…

I still mourn G+. It was clearly put together by somebody who thought first and foremost about privacy. It made deciding who to share what with the central, most visible part of how it worked. And that's probably part of why it failed. Was it hard to choose? Nope. But I guarantee you that if Facebook added a little "hey, are you sure you want to share this post publicly with the whole world under your real name? Yes/…

The migration of YT accounts to G+ is how most of the critical mass learned there was G+. It took years to recover nicknames.

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Post by kalleboo »

hinkley wrote: post #338
Eisenstein wrote: post #300

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Too bad all of the RAM and NAND flash are going to be unaffordable for the next few years at least.

Once you include internet latency hard drive latency isn’t that much worse. It won’t help but it won’t stop it.

Hard disk drive prices are also soaring. Looking up a random WD drive: up 70% since July, a Seagate drive, up 50%

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Post by emodendroket »

nostrademons wrote: post #160
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #61

I recently took someone to go and watch a hockey game. Been a little while but I personally played as a goalie myself. The person kept making the comment that she couldn't see/find the puck and it made it frustrating to watch. As a goalie, not being able to see the puck is pretty normal (especially with big bodies trying to screen you). What I told her was that what matters a lot more than where the puck is, is where…

In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

The brief period where I could check Facebook and reliably find someone's name I forgot or figure out how to contact people or invite them to a gathering was pretty nice. Now everyone's on fifty apps I don't use, or installed but never remember to check. Oh well. Sorry, too stimulating for me to join your Discord and get hundreds of notifications, most of which don't concern me at all.

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Post by actionfromafar »

SunshineTheCat wrote: post #297
GuB-42 wrote: post #190

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> ...vertical, shortform video. Not sure how that plays out in terms of advertising... I have seen a comment about them being terrible for advertising, it looks like a "good" idea but it is not. The problem is that the attention of people watching these videos drop to almost zero, too much is happening in a too short amount of time, and as a result nothing is remembered, including the ads. It is a very good deal for…

For sure, I've been hesitantly awaiting ChatGPT's first "sponsored" reply, or at least, one that features a "sponsored" product or link.

How would you know?

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Post by pixl97 »

observationist wrote: post #149
btbuildem wrote: post #124

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I wish that were true, but I don't think it's dying, I think it's metastasizing. Ads will ingress deeper into what were trusted layers -- embedded in text and video in a seemingly organic way. GenAI tools make this possible -- to splice a 20 second mention of something into a stream, or rewrite a paragraph injecting a subtle product placement. We will develop new mental antibodies for this, we always do. Silver linin…

The biggest problem is platform scale, imo - platforms grow so big as to make the network effects confer an invulnerability to regulation or moderation, and then get exploited to squash competition, either through legal action, acquisition, suppression, or sometimes simple inertia. Ubiquitous reach and total control over the platform made it irresistible to bad faith operators, politicians, activists, and rent-seeker…

>good-enough AI on your phone to carry everywhere you go

Eh, if Google/Apple allows you to put it on your phone, which is highly doubtful at this point. Google would outright directly ban that kind of competition in the name of security. Apple would just ban an AI like that in the name of security even though it doesn't actually compete with them.

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Post by majormajor »

bookofjoe wrote: post #251
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #241

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Discord is really where it is at these days. Discord servers with 50-100 people form the new social fabric of the internet where real community lies. In theory Reddit was supposed to be this but 1. Reddit communities tend to get too large 2. Subreddits overflow into each other too much through cross posting and brigading 3. Post history being public meant that you could get banned/brigaded for your comments on a tota…

99% of the population hasn't a clue what Discord is/does

In the US this is likely a wildly high overestimate because a huge percentage of the population plays video games at least casually and it has a very large mindshare (if not necessarily daily use for everyone) in that domain.

Moving into things like sports and what we would've called the "general blogosphere" in 2010 quite rapidly too.

I kinda hate it since it's hard to discover, but at least Google can't direct a million bots to it either that easily yet...

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Post by pixl97 »

travisgriggs wrote: post #246
tomjuggler wrote: post #233

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lol I meant coding, can't stand AI slop web content myself. I wrote all the words - what's BSG?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_...

We fought the toasters, and the toasters won.

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Post by emodendroket »

I think this article title misled me a bit... Google seems to be fine but it's no longer driving traffic through Ad Words. I think that in particular is really getting messed up by AI since people often don't go to any Web site once an AI agent answers their question.

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Post by majormajor »

lostlogin wrote: post #255
nostrademons wrote: post #160

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In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

> Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended I wish you were right. We took our kid to a stage show she really wanted to see. People round us kept checking their phones. They weren’t even really checking them. They held them and would turn the screen on and off, lighting the place up. They couldn’t be without them for more than 5 minutes. This, after 30 mi…

Many people are simultaneously sharing to the broader internet less (the claim you're responding to) AND more addicted to media shared by the ones who DO share stuff then ever (the claim you're making).

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Post by majormajor »

spoaceman7777 wrote: post #181
nostrademons wrote: post #160

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In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

None of the numbers I've seen on web usage, platform usage, etc. indicate people are significantly pulling away from online lives. Though, there has been a slight dip in daily social media browsing time in the last couple of years (of course, it also follows the end of the pandemic, and it hasn't ceded back to where it was prior). That does sound like a rather charmed life though. Could also be a sign that people are…

How about distinct public posts per day per user?

My experience is that consumption is as high as ever, but the median person's non-private sharing is down.

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