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Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by armchairhacker »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #38
spuz wrote: post #32

There is a small irony that the Indie Game Awards rejects nominations of games using AI but The Game Awards does not. It is independent teams of developers who are less likely to be able to afford to pay an artists who may be able to produce something of value with AI assets that they otherwise would not have the resources for. On the other side, it is big studios with a good track record and more investment who are…

I agree that this holds in theory, but in practice? All the overhyping of AI I've heard from the gaming sector has come from the big studios, not indies. And, as you point out, Clair Obscur isn't the 'most indie' of indies anyway.

Maybe next year

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46297348

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by CamperBob2 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #355
CamperBob2 wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just another scheme where those at the top are appropriating the labor of many to enrich themselves. This will have so many negative consequences that I don't think any reactions against it are excessive. When's the last time someone with your opinion turned out to be right in the long run?

If you tried reading a history book you would find numerous examples. Of course, I am presuming you can read. I lean on optimism.

It takes only three words to say, "I got nothin'." Try some Strunk & White.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by itishappy »

dathinab wrote: post #354
itishappy wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this actually a problem? Is there anybody actually arguing against line smoothing algorithms?

they ban any for of gen AI no matter the context so as an extrema example if you artists used that line smoothing algorithm you game isn't qualified anymore

Who bans line smoothing algorithms? Do you have a link?

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by lieability »

kcb wrote: post #266
thiht wrote: post #59

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That’s incredibly harsh. A blanket ban on AI generated assets is dumb as hell. Generating placeholder assets is completely acceptable.

I don’t care if the whole game from end to end is generative AI if it’s an incredible game. Having a moral stance against a specific use of floating point numbers and algorithms in a medium filled with floating point numbers and algorithms is strange.

Describing something so incredibly poorly, that it can be used to describe computing as a whole, only to avoid needing to take a moral stance is strange.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by wtcactus »

ad_hockey wrote: post #89
wtcactus wrote: post #19

It’s interesting, because we have examples of other sects in the past that also opposed human progress through technology. History is repeating itself. For instance, see Luddites: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

That does the Luddites a bit of a disservice: > But the Luddites themselves “were totally fine with machines,” says Kevin Binfield, editor of the 2004 collection Writings of the Luddites. They confined their attacks to manufacturers who used machines in what they called “a fraudulent and deceitful manner” to get around standard labor practices. “They just wanted machines that made high-quality goods,” says Binfield,…

That seems a lot like the beef people have nowadays with AI. They also want machines, they love their iPhones and MacBooks.

They just don't like it when the machines are able to do the mediocre job they get paid to do.

Imagine if we had listened to the Luddites back in the day...

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Post by perryizgr8 »

The reason I hate AI generated code is because it's low quality and a pain to review. Similarly, AI generated images and videos are also low quality and not worth paying attention to.

If a game is well made and people enjoy it then what's the problem with utilising AI generated code or assets? What's the objective?

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by latexr »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #233
latexr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the submitted article: > "When it was submitted for consideration, representatives of Sandfall Interactive agreed that no gen AI was used in the development of Clair Obscur: Expedition 33. In light of Sandfall Interactive confirming the use of gen AI art in production on the day of the Indie Game Awards 2025 premiere, this does disqualify Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 from its nomination." Whatever placeholder you…

> Whatever placeholder you use is part of your development process, whether it ships or not. Saying they used none when they did is not cool and rightfully makes one wonder what other uses they may be hiding (or “forgetting”). Especially when apparently they only clarified it when it was too late. If it was malicious they wouldn't say a word. They probably interpreted the rule as "nothing in shipped game is AI" (whic…

> If it was malicious they wouldn't say a word.

They didn’t have a choice, it was obvious it was AI. They might still have other places where they used it but it’s harder to notice.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46344279

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by latexr »

ctoth wrote: post #338
latexr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the submitted article: > "When it was submitted for consideration, representatives of Sandfall Interactive agreed that no gen AI was used in the development of Clair Obscur: Expedition 33. In light of Sandfall Interactive confirming the use of gen AI art in production on the day of the Indie Game Awards 2025 premiere, this does disqualify Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 from its nomination." Whatever placeholder you…

> “witch hunt” is most often used by bad actors attempting to discredit legitimate investigations). By that logic, "fake news" is now unusable because Trump weaponized it, despite the term accurately describing a real phenomenon that existed before and after his usage. "Gaslighting" would be suspect because it got picked up by people dramatizing ordinary disagreements. Every useful term for describing social dynamics…

> Every useful term for describing social dynamics gets captured by someone with an agenda eventually.

So, in essence, you’re agreeing.

> Hitler liked chocolate, doesn't mean you shouldn't eat chocolate.

Arguments have nothing to do with dietary preferences, that comparison makes no sense.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by dathinab »

itishappy wrote: post #363
dathinab wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they ban any for of gen AI no matter the context so as an extrema example if you artists used that line smoothing algorithm you game isn't qualified anymore

Who bans line smoothing algorithms? Do you have a link?

you are failing to get the point

it's an (maybe the most) extreme example of something which is "gen AI" but not problematic and as such a naive "rule" saying "no gen AI at all" is a pretty bad competition rule design

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