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Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by anjel »

Aurornis wrote: post #172
terminalshort wrote: post #33

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But the truth is that habitual users are always impaired. Source: former habitual user.

I’ve never been a smoker, but I’ve known a lot of friends who went through periods of smoking multiple times per week or even daily for periods of time. Every single one of them denied impairment during those periods. Often vehemently so, belittling anyone who suggested they might be impaired as having succumbed to propaganda. Every single one of them remarked that they were sharper, more alert, and had better memory…

Anecdata: There are neurochemical upregulation effects to daily THC use over time, and upon discontinuance that upregulation (which can take months or even years to wear off and perhaps not) is in itself quite apparent.

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Post by djeastm »

jjice wrote: post #6

Feels like a low sample size, but I'm not statistician or doctor. That said, almost everyone I know that consumes THC has no qualms driving while doing it, and many of them also at work. It's a huge peeve of mine.

That's genuinely frightening and possibly explains a lot about people on the road these days.

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Post by sanex »

mvdtnz wrote: post #336
dyauspitr wrote: post #328

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The n for the group is only 246 though. That’s very biased depending on where the stats are from.

Very bold to claim it's a biased sample without any evidence or even a theory of how.

The evidence is the n being 246 lol

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Post by dmitrygr »

wildzzz wrote: post #317
dmitrygr wrote: post #287

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Perhaps habitual drug users should not participate in operating heavy machinery around people?

Should alcoholics be barred from driving as well, even if they are perfectly sober when behind the wheel?

Statistically, yes they should.

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Post by rafabulsing »

sokoloff wrote: post #343
rafabulsing wrote: post #322

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Cars are inherently dangerous, though. They're multi ton hunks of metal moving at high speeds. That's dangerous from literally any angle you can imagine. There are ways to make it less dangerous, sure. But they're never 100% safe. Which makes them, by definition, inherently dangerous. That's... What those words mean.

So long as you’re also willing to label swimming pools, grapes, and crayons as, by definition, inherently dangerous on account of not being able to be made 100% safe, then I’ll at least grant you a level of consistency in your argument.

Swimming pools are absolutely inherently dangerous. Why do you think lifeguards are a thing?

Like, really man? If you can't even recognize as dangerous the one activity that famously requires someone specifically trained to save people to be present, then I'm happy to end this conversation right here. It's clearly just a waste of time all around. I just hope there's no one in your life depending on you to judge what's safe and what's not.

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Post by stevage »

macNchz wrote: post #91
Benjammer wrote: post #20

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>Since COVID in CA, it feels like driving has become far more dangerous with much more lawlessness regarding excessive speeding and running red lights, going into the left lane to turn right in front of stopped cars, all sorts of weird things NYC has had the same effect since COVID, and over the last year or two it's gotten to the point where every single light at every busy intersection in Manhattan you get 2-3 cars…

It’s a very widespread problem, I think, and probably has a complex mix of causes, but my perception as a NYC runner, cyclist, and driver is that there’s a fairly small percentage of extremely antisocial drivers who we allow to behave badly with relative impunity, which itself moves the Overton window of driving behavior towards aggression/chaos, so to speak. Very frequently when there is a newsmaking incident in whi…

> it turns out that they got dozens of speed camera tickets per year.

Are you saying you can legally keep driving despite dozens of speed camera tickets in a year, as long as you keep paying the fines?

That's wild.

Around here (Melbourne, Australia), you'd lose your licence very quickly. A single speeding ticket is a minimum of 3 points off your licence (of which you have 12), and bigger infringements lose more points. So at most you could speed 4 times, but probably fewer. And it takes a few years for the points to come back.

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Post by cj »

boston_clone wrote: post #353
rayiner wrote: post #348

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I had never smelled it before. It smells identical to sewer gas to me—I know what that smells like because our house was missing several drain traps.

Fascinating. I wonder if this is a genetic thing similar to people who sense soap for cilantro, except with terpenes instead of aldehydes.

I mean weed really doesn't smell good. If you're not turned off by the smell, it's a learned pleasure. Similar to how nearly every child will dislike the taste of alcohol, yet after drinking for a while they'll learn to tolerate or enjoy it.

It can be a very overpowering smell. When an odor overpowers, it's harder to discern one scent from another.

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Post by stevage »

macNchz wrote: post #150
temp0826 wrote: post #129

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What the heck? How can you get that many tickets and still have a license? (Or manageable insurance costs for that matter lol)

When New York State authorized the NYC speed camera program they explicitly precluded it from reporting to insurance, and made it not part of the “points” system that triggers license suspension if you accumulate too many infractions, so all that happens is that you get a $50 ticket each time. If you don’t pay the tickets, your car is at risk of being booted, but if you don’t park on the street or choose to obscure y…

> When New York State authorized the NYC speed camera program they explicitly precluded it from reporting to insurance, and made it not part of the “points” system that triggers license suspension if you accumulate too many infractions, so all that happens is that you get a $50 ticket each time.

At the risk of hearing a depressing answer...why?

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Post by almosthere »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #222
SubmarineClub wrote: post #208

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Sounds like a good reason not to commit traffic crimes then. Start punishing these people severely so that they might serve as an example to the rest

Has that ever worked? AFAIK, all evidence says that people don't consider consequences. If they did, they wouldn't be behaving like that in the first place. Punitive punishment feels much much better for people who have a specific set of values.

Escalating punishments often tend to take the "1-3%" of the bad people out of society that cause all the crime.

Remember from recent history these people that had 34 arrests or 73 arrests and they're out murdering people?

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Post by [deleted] »

cj wrote: post #367
boston_clone wrote: post #353

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Fascinating. I wonder if this is a genetic thing similar to people who sense soap for cilantro, except with terpenes instead of aldehydes.

I mean weed really doesn't smell good. If you're not turned off by the smell, it's a learned pleasure. Similar to how nearly every child will dislike the taste of alcohol, yet after drinking for a while they'll learn to tolerate or enjoy it. It can be a very overpowering smell. When an odor overpowers, it's harder to discern one scent from another.

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