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Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by drnick1 »

blurker wrote: post #207
drnick1 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a Pixel -> Graphene, if not -> Lineage. I personally don't care about "security" all that much, my main reason for using Graphene is freedom to use my hardware in any way I wish. This means unrestricted ability to run any program on the phone from any source. Sideloading restrictions don't apply to Graphene, and it is also impossible for state actors to impose things such as client-side scanning of text m…

That sounds amazing. I aspire to get a setup like yours. I am on a Pixel with the stock OS and I can't stand the way Google is pushing AI into everything on my phone. I haven't switched it to Graphene OS yet because I read that there are issues with NFC and a few other things. I assume this new phone won't have those problems so I think that will be my catalyst to do a big overhaul.

I doubt contactless payments will ever work on Graphene. In any case, I don't find carrying a credit card particularly inconvenient. I prefer cash for small transactions too; it's the only means of payment that is truly anonymous.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by ysnp »

joelthelion wrote: post #124
walterbell wrote: post #4

https://tbot.substack.com/p/grapheneos-new-oem-partnership > GrapheneOS has officially confirmed a major new hardware partnership—one that marks the end of its long-standing Pixel exclusivity. According to the team, work with a major Android OEM began in June and is now moving toward the development of a next-generation smartphone built to meet GrapheneOS’ strict privacy and security standards.

This is really cool, but, longer term, what happens if Google makes android closed source? I feel this is a very real risk.

Well, in the much longer term they have usually mentioned they would like to use a more secure/private foundation (more in the direction of Qubes/Redox/Fuchsia) with a compatibility layer for Android apps if they have the resources to do so.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by strcat »

Itoldmyselfso wrote: post #261
singpolyma3 wrote: post #183

The GrapheneOS obsession with picking a fight with everyone else is the most unfortunate part of the project.

It doesn't seem to be the entire project, just one dev (afaik) that's quite outspoken and does make accusations that they don't always seem to back with evidence. Also insofar as the actual "product" remains completely untouched by any spats it shouldn't be a dealbreaker for anyone wanting to use GOS, but of course it isn't ideal to have any drama attached.

You're making libelous claims without evidence while falsely claiming that I'm doing it. This typically goes along with baseless claims that I'm insane, delusional, schizophrenic, etc. with links to extraordinarily dishonest content filled with obvious fabrications from a couple serial harassers. One of those serial harassers has an identity verified Kiwi Farms account and was the one who involved them in targeting me (kiwifarms . st/members/larossmann.132201/). We've provided a large amount of evidence. Here's the leader of Murena and /e/ linking to libelous harassment content towards me on a conspiracy site this week: https://archive.is/SWXPJ + https://archive.is/n4yTO and we have dozens more examples archived for him specifically. You target us with libelous claims, bullying and harassment then claim we're creating drama for defending ourselves from it and documenting it. If you want the 'drama' to stop then stop engaging in harassment.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by [deleted] »

worldsavior wrote: post #299
Itoldmyselfso wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem to be the entire project, just one dev (afaik) that's quite outspoken and does make accusations that they don't always seem to back with evidence. Also insofar as the actual "product" remains completely untouched by any spats it shouldn't be a dealbreaker for anyone wanting to use GOS, but of course it isn't ideal to have any drama attached.

He never shows any evidence. Always accusing without any images/links. I love the project but it looks not normal.

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Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by strcat »

worldsavior wrote: post #299
Itoldmyselfso wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem to be the entire project, just one dev (afaik) that's quite outspoken and does make accusations that they don't always seem to back with evidence. Also insofar as the actual "product" remains completely untouched by any spats it shouldn't be a dealbreaker for anyone wanting to use GOS, but of course it isn't ideal to have any drama attached.

He never shows any evidence. Always accusing without any images/links. I love the project but it looks not normal.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46185361

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by strcat »

timschumi wrote: post #254
RGBCube wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's actually one of the best parts.

Not for the ones on the receiving end.

Being on the receiving end of valid, technical criticism in response to making misleading claims about GrapheneOS for falsely marketing products is their own choice. It's certainly a lot nicer than being on the GrapheneOS team heavily targeted by libel, bullying and harassment from those groups. Here's a recent example of the founder of /e/ and Murena linking to libelous harassment content on a conspiracy site, which links to a Kiwi Farms style character assassination video from someone friends with neo-nazis:

https://archive.is/SWXPJ https://archive.is/n4yTO

Check out the site for yourself. The linked video is plainly filled with extraordinarily dishonest claims that are widely disproven. Copperhead is losing the legal battle very badly and should end up paying our years of legal expenses soon. Other groups attacking us can look forward to similar losses in court when our attention moves to them. Years of libel, bullying and harassment has consequences.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by worldsavior »

strcat wrote: post #365
worldsavior wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He never shows any evidence. Always accusing without any images/links. I love the project but it looks not normal.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46185361

Alright, didn't mean to make any libelous claims, it's just so it happens I never saw any evidence from your accusations. I already know these people are the worst, but it would be helpful if in any of your posts you would share some evidence like you did right now.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by strcat »

singpolyma3 wrote: post #183

The GrapheneOS obsession with picking a fight with everyone else is the most unfortunate part of the project.

The attacks on GrapheneOS from Copperhead and their supporters including within other projects were not a fight we picked. You're pushing a false narrative in support of years of libel, bullying and harassment towards us. Your project's team has regularly engaged in very underhanded attacks on ours despite us never doing anything to you. We have archives of it.

Here's an example of what you support by the founder of Murena and /e/ who you support linking to libel and harassment on a neo-nazi conspiracy site (check out the site for yourself):

https://archive.is/SWXPJ https://archive.is/n4yTO

The video that's linked there is an extraordinarily dishonest character assassination video filled with very blatantly false claims. The person who posted the video is unsurprisingly friends with a bunch of neo-nazis. Copperhead failed in their attempt at filing a baseless lawsuit against us and is on track to pay years of our legal fees.

A typical approach you folks take is linking to Kiwi Farms adjacent harassment content based on fabricated stories and spin targeting myself and the rest of our team. One of the two main people orchestrating harassment towards us has an identity verified Kiwi Farms account and was the one who involved them in targeting me (kiwifarms . st/members/larossmann.132201/).

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by jhasse »

hamandcheese wrote: post #132
walterbell wrote: post #4

https://tbot.substack.com/p/grapheneos-new-oem-partnership > GrapheneOS has officially confirmed a major new hardware partnership—one that marks the end of its long-standing Pixel exclusivity. According to the team, work with a major Android OEM began in June and is now moving toward the development of a next-generation smartphone built to meet GrapheneOS’ strict privacy and security standards.

I wonder if a real OEM supports graphene if that would solve device attestation for things like banking apps.

GrapheneOS has device attestation support on Pixel devices, i.e. it passes SafetyNet. It's just that some apps (e.g. Google Pay) explicitly exclude it.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Post by jhasse »

joelthelion wrote: post #124
walterbell wrote: post #4

https://tbot.substack.com/p/grapheneos-new-oem-partnership > GrapheneOS has officially confirmed a major new hardware partnership—one that marks the end of its long-standing Pixel exclusivity. According to the team, work with a major Android OEM began in June and is now moving toward the development of a next-generation smartphone built to meet GrapheneOS’ strict privacy and security standards.

This is really cool, but, longer term, what happens if Google makes android closed source? I feel this is a very real risk.

Then Android gets forked.
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