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It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by __del__ »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #124
heretia wrote: post #99

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> probably more people are aware of JavaScript than Java at this point All the same, I probably get as many calls from recruiters to fill Java positions as I do JS positions. I've never used the former, and explaining it is always awkward!

For normal people Java is a short way to say JavaScript.

sometimes we make silly errors for years or decades and no one spots them. if you've been saying you hate java bloat/frameworks/whatever and meaning you hate javascript bloat/frameworks/whatever, people would probably agree with both. no one would be the wiser.

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Post by Izkata »

array_key_first wrote: post #192
spider-mario wrote: post #153

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I have never heard anyone do that. Do “normal” people even discuss JavaScript?

I think normal people are actually aware what JS and HTML are. Most people are more tech savvy than we give them credit - or credit they might give themselves.

Yes for normal teenagers in the early 2000s or so (MySpace encouraged experimentation and there were many sites where people would upload copy/pastable javascript snippets for their sites), outside of that group I'm not so sure.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by Izkata »

jrm4 wrote: post #234
psychoslave wrote: post #137

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That’s not retrocompatible with all the .js files out there though. One possibility is thus just make some vocalic derivation, which align with well known spontaneous evolution of languages like ablaut[1]. Following that, and keeping the dance connotation, jive [2] is an option. Or closer on phonetic distance to java (/ˈd͡ʒɑː.və/), there is jovial (/ˈd͡ʒəʊ.vɪ.əl/ or /ˈd͡ʒoʊ.vɪ.əl/ or /ˈd͡ʒoʊ.vəl/)[3]. Might our jovia…

Why not Jayscript? I see that there's something called that related to javascript already, but like -- very similar spelling, ".js" still works, we lose the Java confusion etc etc.

Half a memory - wasn't the Internet Explorer implementation called JScript?

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by truelson »

someguyiguess wrote: post #128
siwatanejo wrote: post #3

I actually think that people should rather use EcmaScript name instead of JavaScript, because it's a way better name (much less confusing, given that this lang doesn't have anything to do with Java anyway). I wish Oracle started suing people to force everyone to use the better name.

EcmaScript is an awful name. It sounds too similar to eczema or ectoplasm. Ugly name.

The ectoplasm name makes me want to make a "Don't cross the fs.createWriteStream()s" joke.

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by j16sdiz »

petre wrote: post #30
falcor84 wrote: post #22

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But everyone already calls it JS. I think the transition would have been so much easier if the official name started with "J".

Like JunoScript or JangoScript? JavaScript is just very outdated ECMAScript.

Just like SSL vs TLs

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #319

Random nerd note: The history is slightly wrong. Netscape had their own "interactive script" language at the time Sun started talking about Java and somehow got the front page of the Mercury news when they announced it in March of 1995. At the Third International World Wide Web Conference in Darmstadt Germany everyone was talking about it and I was roped into giving a session on it during lunch break (which then had…

Do you mind being immodest and let us know a little bit about your involvement for context?

What was your involvement with Netscape?

Re: It’s time to free JavaScript (2024)

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Post by ChuckMcM »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #368
ChuckMcM wrote: post #319

Random nerd note: The history is slightly wrong. Netscape had their own "interactive script" language at the time Sun started talking about Java and somehow got the front page of the Mercury news when they announced it in March of 1995. At the Third International World Wide Web Conference in Darmstadt Germany everyone was talking about it and I was roped into giving a session on it during lunch break (which then had…

Do you mind being immodest and let us know a little bit about your involvement for context? What was your involvement with Netscape?

I was one of the original developers of Java at Sun. Here's a picture of most of us at the time : http://mcmanis.com/chuck/original_java_team.html (this was originally in the HotJava distribution Sun gave out when the source was released.)

I was doing security, networking, crypto, and a bit of Solaris support along with others. Basically I was a 'systems' guy vs a 'language' guy like James, Arthur and Richard. We all participated in the integration with Navigator and had weekly meetings with Netscape while we were doing that.

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