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PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by throwaway2037 »

mlrtime wrote: post #290
saxenaabhi wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same does apply to gas contracts. So many a time LNG companies break contracts and pay hefty penalties if the spot rate is high enough.

>So many a time LNG companies break contracts and pay hefty penalties if the spot rate is high enough. What do you mean "Break contracts"? I thought the conversation was about Futures contracts, you don't break them. You sell your contract or you take/give delivery (or cash settle).

As I understand hydrocarbon trading (oil and gas), futures is a tiny portion of the settled market. The vast majority is traded through long-term, privately negotiated contracts. As I said previously, many of those contracts are so large that the end buyer takes an equity stake in the extraction site.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by iszomer »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #335
neogodless wrote: post #303

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If you contribute $1k per month for 10 years earning 6% you would have $162k. 5% of that would be $8100. Is $48k / year a typical income?

Who in this economy has $1K left over at the end of the month to spend / risk freely?

You'd be surprised.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by iszomer »

AutoDunkGPT wrote: post #219
somenameforme wrote: post #214

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Advances in video cards and graphics tech were overwhelmingly driven by video games. John Carmack, for instance, was directly involved in these processes and 'back in the day' it wasn't uncommon for games, particularly from him, to be developed to run on tech that did not yet exist, in collaboration with the hardware guys. Your desktop was outdated after a year and obsolete after 2, so it was a very different time th…

yes. a good reason to upgrade was PCIe 4.0 for I/O. GPU and SSD needs caused PCIe 5.0 to follow soon after.

I'm still on PCIe 3.0 on my main machine and the RX580 works fine for my needs. Outside of the scope of OP, I recently picked up a (new) 5060 not due to the impending memory production apocalypse but because I wanted to extend my current setup with something I recently read about on LSFG, previously posted here but garnered no interest/comments.

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44499245

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by kaszanka »

dlock17 wrote: post #343
kaszanka wrote: post #288

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That's still not a fair comparison, because on a console you don't have the option to do any of that.

It is a pretty fair comparison. You do have the option to open up Discord voice chats on PS5. Amazing what Discord could do when forced to actually write something efficient. Youtube also exists as an app, and maybe you can trick the heavily gimped built in browser to go there as well, although last I checked it wasn't trivial.

TIL! That's neat, I wonder how much RAM that client uses compared to the desktop one.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by Marsymars »

compumike wrote: post #129

Lots of people are speculating that the price spike is AI related. But it might be more mundane: I'd bet that a good chunk of the apparently sudden demand spike could be last month's Microsoft Windows 10 end-of-support finally happening, pushing companies and individuals to replace many years worth of older laptops and desktops all at once.

I have no idea about the number of people this has actually affected, but this is exactly my situation. Need a new workstation with a bunch of RAM to replace my Win10 machine, so I don't really have viable options than paying the going rate.

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Post by mleonhard »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #320
pmdr wrote: post #98

So, like, we were already pretty much priced out of higher-end graphic cards, and now it's happening to RAM. All this while jobs are disappearing, layoffs are ongoing and CEOs are touting AI's 'capabilities' left and right. Next is probably CPUs, even if AIs don't use them that much, manufactures will shift production to something more profitable, then gouge prices so that only enterprises will pay for them. What's n…

> What's next? Electricity? That and water. Electricity: Google made a post about scaling k8s to 135.000 nodes yesterday, mentioning how each node has multiple GPUs taking up 2700 watts max. Water, well this is a personal beef, but Microsoft built a datacenter which used potable / drinking water for backup cooling, using up millions of liters during a warm summer. They treat the water and dump it in the river again.…

Is any datacenter's water use significant compared to other industrial installations? According to that article, all datacenters in North Holland use 550 Ml/yr. North Holland has 2.95M residents [0], who use 129 l/person-day [1], 47 Kl/person-year, 139,000 Ml/year for the whole region. So the data centers use an estimated 0.4% of the region's water. Data centers use about 3% of the Netherlands' electricity.

Why do you think this is a lot of water? What are the alternatives to pulling from the local water utility and are those alternatives preferable?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Holland

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in...

[2] https://www.dutchdatacenters.nl/en/statistics-2/

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by 47282847 »

nickpp wrote: post #357
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #333

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> Anybody working for a living > (but saving money) These two are already difficult or impossible for many people. Especially a big chunk of USAmericans have been living paycheck to paycheck for a long time now, often taking multiple jobs just to make ends meet. And then to gamble it on a speculative market, whose value does not correlate with its performance (see e.g. Tesla, compare its sales / market share with its…

> a big chunk of USAmericans have been living paycheck to paycheck That doesn't mean they are poor, just poor with their money. Saving is a skill that needs to be learned. > That's bad advice. No. Not investing, when the S&P500 index had a 6% inflation-adjusted annual historical return over the last 100 years - is bad advice. Not hedging the arrival of an AGI that you think can replace you - is bad advice.

It’s not an utopian idea to try as a society to hedge and distribute returns to all members. From a human resource perspective, it is insane (ie. costly and inefficient) to put it on the shoulders of each individual. But that’s where we are (almost; happy to live in a country with still some public services like unified healthcare and retirement funds).

Yes, you can drill your own well to have water in a society, for some. Or, you come up with the unheard-of idea of public utilities, so people can simply open a tap and enjoy. In some regions, even drink it. Personally, growing up in a lucky place like that, I have a hard time imagining to ever live in a place that required me to buy bottled water.

Yes, you can demand each member of society to learn about ETFs. Personally, I enjoy every part of life where complexity is being dealt with for me; I wouldn’t survive a day without that collaboration.

We have a choice to design society, like we have a choice to design computer systems.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Post by nickpp »

Refreeze5224 wrote: post #339
brooke2k wrote: post #329

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It's depressing how in the modern day you can't criticize capitalism without immediately being told that you must be a supporter of soviet-style authoritarian socialism There are shades of grey here. Capitalism is a system with many inherent problems. Exploring alternatives is not the same thing as being a Stalinist

This exactly. Capitalist propaganda likes to paint anything other than capitalism as Stalinist authoritarian communism, which should be abhorred as well as capitalism, and just for the same reason: both are coercive, hierarchical, and unfree.

Because every time I encounter such capitalism haters they turn out to be marxists in disguise. Usually pushed and promoted by people that never lived outside of their comfortable capitalist wealth bubble, written on capitalist devices, here, on this very venture capitalist's forum! The hypocrisy boggles the mind, really.

It's like the lack the most basic understanding of economics and they never read any history. I mean, communism has failed everywhere it was tried and there were so many A/B test that plainly show each system's results: North vs South Korea, Eastern Europe before vs after 1990, USA vs USSR, Argentina during the last hundred years, Venezuela before and after Chavez, etc.

Or they push socialism under new names ("democratic") as if it's a new thing, not just a watered down form of communism, with authoritarian communism being the logical end game of socialism - because "at some point you run out of other people's money" and you need force to keep fleecing them. Just like it happened in Venezuela...

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