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Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

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Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#361

I was in SF a few weekend ago and rode both Waymo and normal Lyft style taxi cars. the Waymo was a better experience in every single way. One of the Lyfts i was in drove on the shoulder for a while like it was a lane. The Waymos were just smooth consistent driving. No aggressive driving to get you dumped off so they can get to the next fair.

Have you tried Tesla's service? I saw reviews they are much smoother than Waymo.

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#362

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I'm surprised by all the uncynical compliments for the service, by so many on this site. We're just in the pre-enshittification days of this service. It's fine to enjoy it now, but it will definitely get worse once all the competition has been put out of business. Please enjoy these mandatory ads while we drive you to your destination...

There's no way for this technology not to be funded by multibillion companies, for now at the very least.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's praiseworthy, or that we should forget what is inevitably coming along with the deal. Maybe we should be supporting human drivers, rather than dissing them as being less-desirable. That makes the mistake of comparing them with the loss-leader version of these services, not what they will really be when fully unmasked.

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#363

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Drivers rarely owned the medallion. They leased the cab for 8-12 hours and drove it on behalf of the medallion owner.

What a stupid process. It bothers me that farmers rarely own the land too. We can't shake our tendency to let wealth turn us into tiny little kings that live off the rent. (not so tiny in the case of farms, but you get it).

>It bothers me that farmers rarely own the land too

You will be glad to learn that most farmland is farmer owned:

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/land-use-land-v...

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drivers rarely owned the medallion. They leased the cab for 8-12 hours and drove it on behalf of the medallion owner.

What a stupid process. It bothers me that farmers rarely own the land too. We can't shake our tendency to let wealth turn us into tiny little kings that live off the rent. (not so tiny in the case of farms, but you get it).

Medallion is an artificial scarcity. Land is actually scarce.

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#365

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> and I also felt like it chose extremely boring routes $$ opportunity: pay $10 extra and Waymo will choose more exciting route.

Or "pay $10 extra and it'll drive extremely aggressively" (in the acceleration/braking/taking turns at speed sense, i.e. only ways that don't affect safety, not "cutting people off"). The sane default is obviously "boring", as it projects an image of safety and control, is comfortable, and reduces wear on the car... but if the user pays for the wear and wants an uncomfortable ride, why not?

roads are shared resources. As long as it's not breaking any laws then sure but please don't ask it to raise the risks to other people on the road. Just tune out on your phone/tablet/laptop and ignore the boring safer ride.

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#366
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The gap between Waymo's service and Tesla's public beta test keeps getting larger.

While I'm not sure that is true, it's fun to watch the bets that were made, unfold. And who's going to take spot #3?

Tesla would be lucky if it's the "Pepsi" of self-driving.

Cola market share: Coke: 69% Pepsi: 27% 3rd: ???

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

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I have seen a Waymo do a very stupid thing where it darted across a busy street, and it left very little margin of error for the oncoming traffic, which happened to be a loaded dump truck that could not have stopped. The dump truck driver was clearly surprised. It was a move that I never would have made as a driver. Did they dial the aggression up? I'm sure they're safer than humans in aggregate as there are some dum…

That reminds me of the Feb 14, 2016 collision in Mountain View [1] (sorry for pdf, but it has the best images of articles I saw) between a Google self-driving car and a VTA articulated bus. TLDR, the software and the safety driver thought the bus would move out of the way because it was a big vehicle and a professional driver. From the report: > Google said it has tweaked its software to "more deeply understand that…

I think it made a calculation that it could do it, and did it. I think it was absolutely correct with respect to the physics and timing. What was not factored in to it was how surprising it would be to other drivers, and what would happen if a pedestrian or cyclist or some other surprise showed up, and it would just have no margin whatsoever so it would be straight to the trolley problem.

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#368

This is a huge sign of confidence that they think they can do this safely and at scale... Freeways might appear "easy" on the surface, but there are all sorts of long tail edge-cases that make them insanely tricky to do confidently without a driver. This will unlock a lot for them with all of the smaller US cities (where highways are essential) they've announced plans for over the next year or so.

The article has a couple of quotes from Waymo leads on the topic:

> “Freeway driving is one of those things that’s very easy to learn, but very hard to master when we’re talking about full autonomy without a human driver as a backup, and at scale,” Waymo co-CEO Dmitri Dolgov said

and

> While many assume freeway driving is easier, it comes with its own set of challenges, principal software engineer Pierre Kreitmann said in a recent briefing. He noted that critical events happen less often on freeways, which means there are fewer opportunities to expose Waymo’s self-driving system to rare scenarios and prove how the system performs when it really matters.

Both point to freeway driving being easier to do well, but harder to be sure is being done well.

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and I also felt like it chose extremely boring routes $$ opportunity: pay $10 extra and Waymo will choose more exciting route.

Or "pay $10 extra and it'll drive extremely aggressively" (in the acceleration/braking/taking turns at speed sense, i.e. only ways that don't affect safety, not "cutting people off"). The sane default is obviously "boring", as it projects an image of safety and control, is comfortable, and reduces wear on the car... but if the user pays for the wear and wants an uncomfortable ride, why not?

Maintaining safety across multiple driving "modes" multiplies the complexity of the problem, in a space where safety incidents can shift public opinion of the whole industry. This is a bad idea...

Re: Waymo robotaxis are now giving rides on freeways in LA, SF and Phoenix

#370
I read that Waymo has cost somewhere between 30 billion and 40 billion to bring to this point. Seems like an incredibly small amount of money considering what it will become.

https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/waymo-gets-a...

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/how-te...

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