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Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

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Even in the US, you are not forced to join a union. You might have a union negotiate minimum pay and conditions on your behalf, but that doesn’t stop you from negotiation beyond that individually.

That is simply not the case. Google "Right to work" and "Union shop." At a minimum you're required to pay dues to the union. Forcing workers to either join or pay tribute to a middleman isn't OK.

It seems entirely reasonable to pay dues for a benefit you receive. I don’t see why that’s such a big deal. You still don’t need to be involved in organising.

It’s entirely ok for the majority of workers to democratically decide that they shouldn’t have to fight for benefits that others get for free. Unions aren’t middlemen, they’re just the majority of workers in a workplace organising themselves.

Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

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> Closed shops are already illegal in the US I do wonder what country American Airlines operates in then… https://viewfromthewing.com/american-airlines-fired-two-flig...

Per AA's 10-K, in 2024 87% of American Airlines employees were represented by a union[1]. So according to that source it sounds like the people who were fired were union members that didn't pay their dues. They could surely have paid their dues and left the union and kept their jobs (or could have never joined the union to begin with). [1] https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/node/42651/html#:~:text...

100% of flight attendants are union members and it is a closed shop as per AA's FA union and per AA.

Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

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1&2) its not my code, its just code that I wrote. The enshittification problem goes away if anybody can fork it and make a less enshittified version. We could have--brace yourself for this radical concept--competition over who could make a better thing. All the bad things you're saying will happen if we don't assert ownership over data are in fact only happening because we assert ownership over data. Somebody else ow…

1) Nobody can fork it if it gets closed source extensions, gains users, then becomes closed source. Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... Better product does not matter, advertising and network effects do. Think about this: with IP you have strictly more options than without. You can literally release under public domain if you want to. People generally don't. Having strictly mor…

1) It can't have closed source extensions if there's no longer any such thing as closed source. I'm not proposing that artists shouldn't bother with IP, I'm proposing that we build something new and once we have it working we abolish IP.

If it seems like I've beee avoiding 2, it's because the point I'm trying to make is

> IP isn't doing the job we want it to, we can do better.

To answer 2 I have to shift to:

> I can do better, and here's how.

My proposal is a bit lengthy for hn, so here's a gist: https://gist.github.com/MatrixManAtYrService/52b228cc3ffb624...

3) No, I was unspecific because the ideal payment depends on a variety of factors like whether their content bothered to share attribution with its source, whether it was supported or contradicted by more trustworthy evidence, whether it harmed or hurt the people who relied on it... things that you can't prescribe up front.

> artists have 0 say. They can only say "please" and "thank you".

That's been the case for every kind of artist ever since there was technology that could copy their work. The best we can do is find ways to ensure that it's more "thank you" than "please".

A) Do you know any artists who are making a living based on their art? (I don't). Do you know any who have tried and failed because it either wasn't enough money, or because they were too afraid that fluid definitions of "derivative work" might upend their business model? (I know several). The existing system is working only for incumbents.

B) Yeah, working on that

C) Like people going hungry because John Deere remote-killed a bunch of tractors on the basis of their copyrighted firmware having been tampered with. Like having billionaires instead of the masses in control of our elections because all information reaches the people through advertiser-controlled chokepoints. Like being spied on or sabotaged via back doors in our tech which were added to accept remote firmware updates related to content protection but are now being uses for other more nefarious things. Or having blind people be unable to navigate the internet because their screen reader software isn't compatible with the copy protection in place. Like having cures for diseases go unused because the patent on the treatment can still be squeezed for profit. Like having a brittle internet that is broken all the time because the rights holders needed single points of control, and now we have single points of failure. The list harms of the Advertising-IP partnership goes on and on and on. Cory Doctorow makes this point well in his (2011) talk: The Coming War on General Computation: https://media.ccc.de/v/28c3-4848-en-the_coming_war_on_genera...

Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

#364
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What's sad is that unionizing will accelerate whatever the decline of the company is causing the dissatisfaction. Wiser for employees to just jump ship or found a new game studio when this kind of decline happens. The chances of a company turning around are super low, adding a union makes it harder. Just run.

> unionizing will accelerate whatever the decline of the company is causing the dissatisfaction

That is not a fact.

Unionising can be good for everybody

What ruins organisations is greed, or hidden agendas

Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

#365

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Baseless claims can be dismissed without evidence. Happy employees are more efficient.

happy employees doesn't imply the need for a union

happy employees does not imply no need for a union

Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

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I have a simple solution for you: don't join a union if you don't want to be part of one.

That option isn't always available, at least in the US. Unless you live in a right-to-work state, you may be forced to join the union as a condition of employment. Somehow this is seen as "more progressive."

There is a conflicting tension.

Freeriding

If a union negotiates better conditions at a workplace, who should be subject to them? Everybody, of course IMO

But what of people who never paid union dues?

There is no nice tidy solution to that tension, only messy ones that impinge on a freedom somewhere

It is worth unionising, voluntarily

Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

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This is true of many skills you grow up learning. E.g. someone who grew up playing piano might be able to play at an incredibly advanced level, while also being terrible at reading or writing sheet music. The science around skills acquired during childhood/adolescence vs. learned skills is interesting. For example, I would not be surprised if non-native speakers, on average, have a better handle of the difference bet…

English is my 4th language, after German, Afrikaans and Indonesian. People get very angry about it when it's pointed out, and yes, "you just say Bingo" (non-native speakers tend to get idioms and certain turns of phrase wrong), but at least we get singular vs plural, past vs present vs future tense etc right. I'm not sure why but "most" (therein lies the thesis) native speakers struggle so much with that basic stuff,…

Native speakers also seem to have given up on "less" vs "fewer" entirely.

Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

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Steam can also take away things from games you "bought", like GTA getting replaced with a lower quality remaster and different sound track.

I think it's a bit disingenuous to blame Steam for a decision Rockstar made. The final decision lies with the publisher as to what game actually ships. If they want to remove their old listings and replace them with a worse offering, that's on them.

GOG can't do this because (nearly all) of the hosted games have stand-alone installers that users can archive themselves. AFAIU that's not possible with Steam.

Re: Rockstar employee shares account of the company's union-busting efforts

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post #304

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Per AA's 10-K, in 2024 87% of American Airlines employees were represented by a union[1]. So according to that source it sounds like the people who were fired were union members that didn't pay their dues. They could surely have paid their dues and left the union and kept their jobs (or could have never joined the union to begin with). [1] https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/node/42651/html#:~:text...

100% of flight attendants are union members and it is a closed shop as per AA's FA union and per AA.

So looks like you're right but there's also some weird language technicality for "closed shop" where it's really a "union shop".

Per the APFA contract[1] employees are forced to join the union within 60 days of assignment as a flight attendant. This is technically considered a union shop (not a closed shop) because it doesn't require people to be union members before being hired.

Under the Taft-Hartley Act a lot of states (and in some situations, court decisions) have made this illegal[2] via right-to-work laws but airlines are covered under the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. § 152)[3] which allows it (upheld by the US Supreme Court in Railway Employes' Department v. Hanson, 351 U.S. 225)[4] .

So, I was wrong and the employees had no choice but continue to be union members and pay dues or be fired because of airline-specific labor law.

[1] https://www.apfa.org/contract/ [page 237, 35-10]

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft%E2%80%93Hartley_Act

[3] https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:45%20section:...

[4] https://www.loc.gov/resource/usrep.usrep351225/?pdfPage=1

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