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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by zahlman »

nyargh wrote: post #157
zahlman wrote: post #148

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Can you evidence any of that?

75% of ICE detainees have no criminal convictions per ICEs own stats, however they conflate "immigration offenses" like filing errors with illegal entry so its impossible to tell from their own statistics to answer your question. I might also add that, like it or not, asylum claims are a positive defense to illegal entry under US law and you can ONLY claim asylum upon US soil. ICE has extreme arrest quotas now and ar…

Why was my other reply flagged? In what way did I say anything objectionable or counter to HN guidelines?

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by dragonwriter »

acdha wrote: post #291
dragonwriter wrote: post #275

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Its not just ICE, its clear Trump intent for law enforcement (and not just federal) from even very early on in his first term, where a highlighted priority was terminating then-active federal enforcement actions against state law enforcement agencies for violations of civil rights. Lawless “law enforcement” has been one of the most consistent overt priorities Trump has had.

Yes, but ICE has been fast and loose with the law for a long time so they’re starting without something like the military’s culture about lawful orders, appropriate use of force, etc. As in so many areas, past presidents ignoring the problem left it ready for scaled up abuse.

ICE leadership below the top level is currently being purged, and apparently replaced with officials transferred from Border Patrol, because ICE’s approach and culture is more targeted and criminality based, and many of the biggest abuses so far in the immigration crackdown blamed on “ICE” have actually been carried out by Border Patrol (its not a coincidence that much of the current controversy in Chicago centers around thhe regional Border Patrol commander.)

While ICE is being massively scaled up with the intent that you describe, its not unique in kind or even the worst by degree of the agencies involved in terms of either historic or current lawlessness. It's just the one with the public mission most in line with the propaganda cover chosen for Trump's totalitarian efforts.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by kragen »

tremon wrote: post #349
troyvit wrote: post #229

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> That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. ICE using military tactics (be it trenches or masks) is the real problem here. ICE aren't soldiers, they're a part of law enforcement. Unfortunately in the U.S. today we not only do use troops for law enforcement, but we're using law enforcement as troops. Neither is the correct role for those services.

Please stop calling ICE law enforcement, that just gives gives them a veneer of legitimacy. What they enforce is not law, it's the whims of a despot.

The US does in fact have customs and immigration laws; are you claiming that those laws were not properly passed, under some kind of anarchist or Sovereign Citizen kind of theory? Or that the State has not charged ICE with enforcement of them?

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by tremon »

kragen wrote: post #365
tremon wrote: post #349

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Please stop calling ICE law enforcement, that just gives gives them a veneer of legitimacy. What they enforce is not law, it's the whims of a despot.

The US does in fact have customs and immigration laws; are you claiming that those laws were not properly passed, under some kind of anarchist or Sovereign Citizen kind of theory? Or that the State has not charged ICE with enforcement of them?

are you claiming

No, I'm not.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by tracker1 »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #300
tracker1 wrote: post #258

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It should be an assigned/signed device with biometric and passcode access configured... At least it was in a couple proposals I helped define for credentialing emergency responders... though the contract definitely went with a different supplier than the one I was working with.

It should not exist at all.

Your probably right.

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Post by tracker1 »

wildrhythms wrote: post #347
tracker1 wrote: post #258

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It should be an assigned/signed device with biometric and passcode access configured... At least it was in a couple proposals I helped define for credentialing emergency responders... though the contract definitely went with a different supplier than the one I was working with.

A pro-surveillance state 'hacker' very cool stuff.

I'm mostly speaking to the device security. I'm no hacker and what I was working on was mostly making sure that people operating as emergency responders are who they say they are when you're disconnected from a centralized network.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by tracker1 »

kragen wrote: post #310
tracker1 wrote: post #255

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Fortunately, the National Guard members have better training than most law enforcement on how to properly interact with civilians (the public).

They're trained how to kill them, and not to do so without orders.

That's one of the more ignorant things I've ever heard.

National guard has duties that go way beyond warfare...

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by tracker1 »

vkou wrote: post #330
tracker1 wrote: post #248

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Beyond this, state law may not supersede federal authority. This will likely go to the Supreme Court before it's actually decided, short of congressional action (unlikely). I'm not sure if these requests are only made if other ID isn't available or a refusal to present id happens. That said, I'm not sure how this qualifies as reasonable suspicion in terms of stopping someone without evidence of some other crime in pr…

Why would you believe any clarifying statements they'd give? They'd just tell you they are only going after pedo-terrorists. What are we going to do? Call them liars? They don't care.

Because it's pay off journalistic integrity to at least try to get and reflect a statement from all parties involved.

Without it I have to look at any reporting as unduly biased and likely from an activist lens.

I have a healthy distrust of both the govt and journalists.

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