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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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They're a lot more than "license plate readers", they're complete AI surveillance systems: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Flock_License_Plate_Readers

They're license plate readers, make/model/identifying-feature databases, and search engines. I didn't say they were just "license plate readers".

have you seen this?

https://www.flocksafety.com/products/flock-dfr

much much more dystopian...

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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I think a good thought experiment to consider, in terms of defining what your own views are, is to consider that if every single person had a mandatory 24/7 uplinked camera on them with redundancies, then the number of unsolved crimes would rapidly approach zero. It would be essentially impossible to get away with crime, so the only crimes that would happen would be those of passion, ignorance, or the political elite…

The trouble is, there would also be no unsolved thought crimes

Another problem is that “crime” is a very flexible term and when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail. Also the legal system specially in the US likes to equate convictions with solved cases which is not always the same.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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They're license plate readers, make/model/identifying-feature databases, and search engines. I didn't say they were just "license plate readers".

have you seen this? https://www.flocksafety.com/products/flock-dfr much much more dystopian...

What's your point? Obviously we wouldn't allow something like this to be deployed in our community. But what does that have to do with Flock providing an interface to police departments for collecting Ring camera footage?

I don't think that's a good thing --- I think PDs should continue to manually canvass for footage and specifically ask residents for footage when they need it, I think that's actually the right public policy and we don't need to innovate past it. But good or bad, it has nothing to do with Flock's "AI".

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Flock is controversial in my area https://transparency.flocksafety.com/ithaca-city-ny-pd

And actively ignoring state law in others, then violating cease-and-desist orders when told to remove the cameras.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45382434 (discussion from 2025-09-26)

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Many people (including in this website) are hard at work creating the torment nexus.

No doubt. The question is, is that the explicit goal, and if so, why? And if not, don't they consider the effects of their actions, if they aren't, why?

> It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

Rich or poor, smart or dumb. We all are slaves to the mighty dollar.

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I have a Unifi Protect system and am generally pretty happy with it. The biggest problem I have is similar in spirit to the Ring problem: remote access is required to get push alerts from the mobile app. Unifi had an issue at the end of 2023 where users could access consoles they didn't own through remote access: https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/15/ubiquiti_camera_priva... If I (or more specifically my spouse) cou…

I have the same UI protect system w 7 cameras. After that incident, I made it local only. I like Unifi gear, but I became super paranoid after that incident. After some digging around, I found homebridge [0] (with the homebridge-unifi-protect plugin by hjdhjd [1]) which fixed that for me by tying the UI Protect system into Apple's HomeKit ecosystem (which also leverages the homekit secure video that keeps alerts/moti…

That's a really interesting setup, thanks for the links! I'm pretty deep into Home Assistant but that plugin looks amazing.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Most of the sanctuary areas that have historically resisted ICE are brutally against any originalist interpretation of the 2A.

You’ll have to fight fascism with mass protests not guns.

And art

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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So combine it with a plan made from a social media posting.

Or a Roomba... One of the first things they want to do is make a plan of the house. But also, don't builders have to submit plans of homes to the local government when building them for approval?

Most robot vacuums (at least the ones that use LiDAR, which seems to be the majority) can only capture a very rudimentary plan of your house, that being a 2D image taken at an elevation of ~10cm or so. It will also be obstructed by any large objects, and there's no easy way of telling them apart from walls.

Your government probably knows your floor plan (though, I don't think they tend to be publicly accessible). Either way though, neither of these methods are anywhere near enough to do what was shown off in those Wi-Fi tracking demos. Here's hoping the tech doesn't get a lot better or has a series of unexpected breakthroughs.

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