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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by marginalia_nu »

1oooqooq wrote: post #333
Xerox9213 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Omarchy offer anything other than opinionated dotfiles? These have always existed.

absolutely not. every single arch user thought of making a distro with opinionated defaults, but then they realize the just have to edit the wiki to provide the community the same benefit. some rich dude lack the self awareness for such. he's both ignoring advanced users would rather have option open and defaults documented, and new users would just use manjaro.

I like Omarchy as an advanced user. I migrated off vanilla Arch + Hypr to Omarchy because it saves me a bunch of hassle setting all that up myself. I want the outcome, don't particularly enjoy the fiddling. I definitely could, I've even done LFS way back in the day, but I have other things I'd rather do with my time these days.

I think it's in many ways a project that caters to professional programmers. It's definitely not for beginners, neither for enthusiasts.

I respect there are people who would rather do all the fiddling themselves, but that's not what I'm looking for, and neither am I looking for a windows- or mac-a-like desktop environment like the ones you get with most distros. What I want in a desktop is exactly what Omarchy is offering.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by jonplackett »

mossTechnician wrote: post #299
jorvi wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google doesn't have control of Chromium though. The source is available and it is permissively licensed. If they did something truly onerous, Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. The only reason Google calls the shots is because they pour billions of dollars into maintaining Chromium. The fact that they can do that (and even fund Firefox at the same time) is because…

Anyone who tries to push changes to Chromium will quickly find Google does control it.

And look at how Adblock has gone

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by yoavm »

zeppelin101 wrote: post #224
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Omarchy isn’t for me, but for those who find a minimal tiled Linux desktop interesting but don’t want to get lost in the jungle setting their own thing up, I don’t think you can possibly do better. It’s throughly thought through, polished, streamlined, and designed specifically to be accessible to newcomers.

Omarchy sounds very compelling (though I'm personally done with trying to run Linux on the desktop), but tiling window managers are just not very practical, for numerous reasons. DHH would be wise to also offer and optimize non-tiling WM setups.

> tiling window managers are just not very practical, for numerous reasons

What reasons? I've been using tilling window managers for years now, and I feel like it's 1995 whenever I need to deal with dragging and maximizing windows.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by troupo »

zarzavat wrote: post #353
troupo wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want people to work for free on one of the most complex pieces of software in existence? Why wouldn't you want to give those people hundreds of millions of dollars? And if you think that writing a JS interpreter is the only hard part of a browser engine, have I got news for you.

My point was not that people/companies shouldn't donate money to the Ladybird project, but that an equally effective way of contributing is to contribute time, especially the time of developers with specialized skills that would otherwise be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars at market rates. Why should anyone work for free? Because they love the Web and hate Google's stranglehold over it.

> Why should anyone work for free? Because they love the Web and hate Google's stranglehold over it.

Why would they work for free even given this? It's not something you hack on in an evening or two

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by Sammi »

cal85 wrote: post #326
xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

7 gigabytes? With a “G”? That must take 10s of seconds, minutes even. And for what, a ‘good experience’? Humans make no sense to me either.

I feel like quoting that classic hn comment reaction to the release of Dropbox. Why do we need this good experience? We already have ftp!

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by gethly »

Keep in mind that cloudflare is essentially a MITM "totally not created and backed by any spy agency that might come to mind" free service that lives off of few large clients but otherwise offers their services essentially for free because they are just a good company that wants to help people with DDOS and CDN and .... Cloudflare is to online communication what Facebook is to personal identity.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by quesera »

xandrius wrote: post #357
quesera wrote: post #340

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There is no act in the world that cannot be interpreted cynically. You are arguing from a prejudiced position.

Bringing exactly 0 examples does not help the case though.

I was pointing out that giving examples would be wasted effort.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by drakythe »

immibis wrote: post #245
drakythe wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chromium is upstream of Chrome, not the other way around. However, Google Chrome is so ubiquitous that any changes Google makes to it are expected to be available in all other browsers and its a kind of defacto control even if it isn't technically control of the upstream Chromium project.

In practical reality, Chromium is a downstream less-googled fork of Chrome. First they decide what they want to put into Chrome, and then they put the less-googled parts of that into Chromium.

While I agree with you, as indicated by my comment about Google having de facto control, the terms upstream or downstream when discussing forking an open source codebase has specific meaning. Chromium is not a downstream forked that has ripped all the google pieces out. It is the upstream codebase that Google then builds all their telemetry and other Google shenanigans into.

If we're discussing someone else forking Chromium because hypothetically Google decided to once again Be Evil it is important to understand, from a technical standpoint, that the fork comes from code before Google does their stuff and not after. Ripping all of google's tendrils out would be a monumental undertaking. Building a similar browser from before Google bakes in their telemetry is infinitely easier and more trustworthy in my opinion.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

zeppelin101 wrote: post #224
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Omarchy isn’t for me, but for those who find a minimal tiled Linux desktop interesting but don’t want to get lost in the jungle setting their own thing up, I don’t think you can possibly do better. It’s throughly thought through, polished, streamlined, and designed specifically to be accessible to newcomers.

Omarchy sounds very compelling (though I'm personally done with trying to run Linux on the desktop), but tiling window managers are just not very practical, for numerous reasons. DHH would be wise to also offer and optimize non-tiling WM setups.

Curious to hear why you think tiling window managers aren't practical.

Hyprland is like half the point of Omarchy (the other half being Arch)

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by globular-toast »

resize2996 wrote: post #318
hshshshshsh wrote: post #206

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Posted elsewhere in this thread, it appears that ladybird does not have a great record in this dept. https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity...

Wow, ok, now I'm actually quite interested in Ladybird seeing that they're actually serious and focused on their goal. Wish I could say the same for Mozilla. Been using Firefox for decades but can only imagine how much better it would be if the resources were allocated properly.
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