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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by ericmay »

dvdkon wrote: post #313
ericmay wrote: post #235

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Maybe Satya can call Donald Trump? I am sure he has his phone number. They can sort it

So if you want your employees to be able to go back from vacation and back to their belongings, you have to pay a large fee. And to pay that fee, you have to talk to the president personally, otherwise you're screwed. That's so dumb I can't believe you're suggesting it. In a rule-of-law country, lobbying the president should never be a solution to anything, much less routine bureaucracy.

Yea yea I get it - but you’re also drumming up a hypothetical scenario about Microsoft suggesting they have no way to pay the fee - I’m just suggesting a solution, not suggesting the path forward or that the abruptness of this policy change is a good idea. Satya has a direct line to the president’s office and can utilize that to help solve this acute concern if there is, as you are very confidently asserting, “no way to pay” the appropriate federal agency.

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Post by djohnston »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #131
lotsofpulp wrote: post #105

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Unless you mean the electoral college overriding popular vote nonsense, and disproportionate Senate power, which was there since the beginning, I don't know what you mean. The voters apparently wanted more of this per the Nov 2024 elections, when we still had a credible election process.

There was evidence of voting machine fraud, though.

Interesting… would you say the election was, erm, rigged?

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Post by nis0s »

A lot of aggrieved comments blaming US leadership, but nary a word about the leadership of countries which create conditions that people have to emigrate from.

Populations of most countries offshore the blame for the lack of economic opportunity or social conditions where they live. I don’t blame the common folk, it’s the leaders and elite of such places who are responsible for their countries relative success or failure.

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Post by [deleted] »

dotnet00 wrote: post #243
someperson wrote: post #218

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> you can be pretty sure your retired parents won't, if ever you need them to move in with you The immigration system should be designed to block retired parents from moving country to live with their working age adult children who have migrated. One reason to have immigration is to improve a country's dependency ratio: the ratio of working age population to children and retirees. The ideal immigrants are young well-…

Your ideal immigrants are young parents with healthy children, who are apparently willing to abandon their own parents? And somehow this is a good thing?

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Post by burnt-resistor »

drooopy wrote: post #113
jonpurdy wrote: post #42

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Reading a thread on r/immigration involving multiple immigration lawyers and corporate lawyers※, the Executive Order wording is apparently unclear and leaves CBP agents with discretion (which can obviously cause confusion and not apply the same rules to everyone). Much easier for the companies to recommend/insist on folks fly back before the deadline to avoid issues. ※ - https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/…

This level of uncertainty just makes the United States toxic for business and investment. How is this Making America Great Again, again?

The WASP, country club types love the appearance of attacking minorities and other opponents but haven't considered the consequences of their footgunnery.

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Post by xigoi »

bmacho wrote: post #196
rayiner wrote: post #172

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You’re using the term “democracy” in an Orwellian way. The people voted for the guy who promised mass deportations. There were signs and everything. Multiple surveys have found that, if everyone had voted, he would have won by an even larger margin. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-elec... A non-functioning democracy would be if the people voted this way and mass deportations didn’t happen. Lik…

I propose a new form of government. I call it "liberal democracy". The gist is that when liberals are in power they make sure that fascist never get in power again. (So it's not a democracy, only in name.) E.g. they can make fascism illegal, and don't allow them to run for seats. This has the following advantages: Over democracy: no danger for it to swing into fascism or autocracy. Over autocracy: bad governments can…

> Over democracy: no danger for it to swing into fascism or autocracy.

I hate to break it to you, but fascism is not the only form of autocracy.

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Post by cyanydeez »

leptons wrote: post #333
cyanydeez wrote: post #147

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I smell "grift is the point" vibes.

It's both.

Sure, but for _trump_, it's definitely the grift potential. For the snakes that surround him with white supremacy, it's not really cruelty.

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

timr wrote: post #355
Scoundreller wrote: post #345

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> or stating that pre-existing visa holders are subject to the new rules How are you interpreting "on entry"?

In the plain text manner. To me the more relevant portion is this: > ...except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplemented by a payment of $100,000 Again, just doing a plain text reading, this seems to be intended to apply to new applicants, but they didn't explicitly spell it out. It's the sort of thing that would be debated endlessly in the rounds of legal review that accompany a...more traditi…

I see, you're saying the stupidity here is that they didn't clarify whether it applies to existing holders. Given that possible explanation-via-stupidity, it's unlikely that it was pure malice. I actually think you make a good point. I think the proposed method-via-stupidity is important for understanding your initial claim, I doubt many people have read the EO (indeed many will not even read the linked article)
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