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Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by charcircuit »

const_cast wrote: post #327
charcircuit wrote: post #321

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No one is saying ad blocking is not technically possible. Wanting everyone to play by your rules is selfish and doesn't acknowledge the needs of others. >Its like getting a free sample at Costco and then taking it home and throwing it away. That's my right. I can do that if I want. It's also like stealing a TV from Costco. Just because you technically can pick up a TV and then bring it to your car without paying and…

> Wanting everyone to play by your rules is selfish and doesn't acknowledge the needs of others. I'm not wanting anything, I'm telling you literally they are playing by my rules. They are requesting to run scripts on my computer. It is my computer. If I say no, then the answer is no. This is merely a request from them. I can abide, and I often will, but I have absolutely no moral, technical, or legal obligation to do…

>No, because that's illegal.

But why is it illegal if it's physically possible for you to take it? By your line of reasoning it shouldn't be illegal in the first place.

>You are REQUESTING to run advertisement scripts on my computer.

That's an implementation detail of how the webpage works and does not matter. You are focusing too much on the way it's implemented and not the high level picture of how it works. If you have to get to the point of describing the HTTP protocol to justify why what you are doing is moral, you need to realize that you are just coming up with a justification for your actions to not feel bad about doing bad things. You should just accept that you are being greedy and you will block ads because you don't care if creators make money from ads and want to prioritize having an ad free experience.

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

ksynwa wrote: post #36

I am extremely insulated from ads online and have been for about a decade. Once in a while I have to browse on a device that does not have an ad blocker or most of the times does not even let you install one. Seeing a website that is SEoptimised and heavily ad supported feels like walking into a crack den. That this is the normal experience for the vast majority of users is sad.

"I am extremely insulated from ads online and have been for about a decade."

I am insulted by the so-called "modern" browser controlled and distributed by (a) companies that sell internet advertising services or (b) their business partners

The ad annoyances would not be possible but for these bloated, sluggish, omnibus programs enabling data collection, ads and tracking by default^1

Every time I have to use one of these programs to access the web it is a terrible experience. Never having visited a crack den, I cannot say whether it is similar. In any event, it's bad

Sometimes I use these browsers to access files offline or on own local network, such as MP4s and PDFs; I think maybe that is all they might be good for

As "ad blockers" depend 100% on the so-called "modern" browser I would be very surprised if "ad blockers" remain effective for much longer, maybe 5-10 years at most; I dislike making predictions but I believe the end of the "ad blocker" as browser extension is inevitable

Already this prediction is starting to come true in Chrome

1. "The message won't be shown in browsers that don't support JavaScript, because those don't need adblockers to begin with." Even just a browser that did not enable Javascript by default would suffice

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #362
ksynwa wrote: post #36

I am extremely insulated from ads online and have been for about a decade. Once in a while I have to browse on a device that does not have an ad blocker or most of the times does not even let you install one. Seeing a website that is SEoptimised and heavily ad supported feels like walking into a crack den. That this is the normal experience for the vast majority of users is sad.

"I am extremely insulated from ads online and have been for about a decade." I am insulted by the so-called "modern" browser controlled and distributed by (a) companies that sell internet advertising services or (b) their business partners The ad annoyances would not be possible but for these bloated, sluggish, omnibus programs enabling data collection, ads and tracking by default^1 Every time I have to use one of th…

s/insulted/insulated/

But I'm insulted, too

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by nahkoots »

MisterTea wrote: post #295
mauvehaus wrote: post #220

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Have you filled a car with gas any time in the last ~5 years? The pumps around here (New England, USA) start playing ads with sound once you start pumping fuel. It's an absolute delight when your pump and the pump on the other side of your island are playing different ads with different audio or the same ad with the audio just out of sync. Usually, one of the soft buttons on the left or right edge of the screen is a…

At one point I was so infuriated that I would feel for the speaker and punch the pump so hard it would knock the speaker out of place (many pumps flimsy plastic.) I did that as many times as I could until the service company started gluing them in better. So I upped and ante by ripping open the front of the pump and tear the speaker out with my bear hands and smash it. Did that a bunch of times until the volumes were…

That's pretty unhinged, but I'm glad there's someone out there vandalizing annoying pumps. It's important work, I think.

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by immibis »

loeg wrote: post #359
immibis wrote: post #333

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IIRC insider trading is any trading based on any non-public information. Everyone knows you're running ads because they can see the ads, but not everyone knows how long you're going to run them for, or how much you're paying for them, and that would be enough. Also if you do it before you start the ad campaign, that's non-public knowledge, similar to a pump-and-dump.

Wrong. Insider trading is about breaching your duty of confidentiality to some other party who owns the information (your employer, some other business you have an NDA with, etc). The owner of the non-public information is fully allowed to trade on it. Pump and dumps are fraud because you lie about the target stock in order to achieve the pump. The lying is a crucial element to make it fraudulent.

> Insider trading is the trading of a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options) based on material, nonpublic information about the company.[1] In many countries, some kinds of trading based on insider information are illegal. The rationale for this prohibition of insider trading differs between countries and regions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insider_trading

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by lbschenkel »

JoshStrobl wrote: post #271
Freak_NL wrote: post #191

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Whenever I open Google's Play Store on Android I get this feeling of walking into some dystopic shopping mall. I hardly ever come there (F-Droid covers all utilities for me, so Google's own app store is really only for official apps from banks, public transport, etc.), so its user hostile design always hits me like a wall of visual noise and clutter. At these moments that feeling that for most people getting bombarde…

Unless you have a specific reason to use Google Play Store (as in the app, not the distribution medium), I would highly recommend using Aurora Store (which you can handily get via F-droid). I use it on my Sailfish OS phone (C2) to similarly get apps not available via F-Droid. https://f-droid.org/packages/com.aurora.store/

The problem with this approach is that many "secure" apps nowadays (bank, authenticators, etc.), at least here in the Nordics, are checking (among other things) if the app has been installed from the Play Store. If you install the very same signed APK from Aurora, or another source, it will refuse to work.

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by qwertox »

Freak_NL wrote: post #191
ksynwa wrote: post #36

I am extremely insulated from ads online and have been for about a decade. Once in a while I have to browse on a device that does not have an ad blocker or most of the times does not even let you install one. Seeing a website that is SEoptimised and heavily ad supported feels like walking into a crack den. That this is the normal experience for the vast majority of users is sad.

Whenever I open Google's Play Store on Android I get this feeling of walking into some dystopic shopping mall. I hardly ever come there (F-Droid covers all utilities for me, so Google's own app store is really only for official apps from banks, public transport, etc.), so its user hostile design always hits me like a wall of visual noise and clutter. At these moments that feeling that for most people getting bombarde…

They made such a retarded change where you now have the search button at the bottom, instead of at the top, but the actual search box is at the top, so you reposition the grab in order to reach to the bottom, only to then be forced to reposition again in order to reach the top.

I mean, absolutely retarded.

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by qwertox »

estimator7292 wrote: post #355
Freak_NL wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever I open Google's Play Store on Android I get this feeling of walking into some dystopic shopping mall. I hardly ever come there (F-Droid covers all utilities for me, so Google's own app store is really only for official apps from banks, public transport, etc.), so its user hostile design always hits me like a wall of visual noise and clutter. At these moments that feeling that for most people getting bombarde…

I love that google removed the search bar from the front page. If you tap where it should be, you get a popup informing you that search has moved to the bottom. So you tap that and it takes you to a new screen with the search bar at the top. I have never seen such absolute design and engineering genius.

It's as if they are not Android users at all. Maybe someone told an intern to move the button to the bottom, he showed that he did it, and that was it. Nobody actually performed a search with this new layout.

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by Squarex »

mediumsmart wrote: post #139
Squarex wrote: post #65

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Have you disabled the bult-in adblocker?

I am not aware of a built in adblocker as a component. The browser is zero telemetry by default and quite a few sites helpfully point to howto disable adblock plugins in chrome and firefox tutorials when they encounter Orion.

It is enabled by default: https://help.kagi.com/orion/privacy-and-security/ad-tracking....

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by dns_snek »

cookiengineer wrote: post #62
dheera wrote: post #25

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setTimeout(() => { // fuck up all future javascripts setTimeout = setInterval = requestAnimationFrame = () => {}; Element.prototype.appendChild = () => { throw new Error("Blocked"); }; document.addEventListener = () => {}; window.addEventListener = () => {}; Object.defineProperty(document, "readyState", { get: () => { throw new Error("No JS"); } }); document.write = () => {}; // fuck up canvas if(window.HTMLCanvasEle…

Is there a Browser extension that farbles all these APIs on purpose instead of blocking them? By farbling I mean making the data look like it's the most common Windows configuration, for example.

I think that's impossible to do with an extension, there are far too many holes to plug and it's a moving target, it has to be done in the browser. I believe GrapheneOS is trying to do that with Vanadium (security and privacy hardened fork of Chromium for Android).
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