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Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by arcticbull »

__alexs wrote: post #344
nonethewiser wrote: post #341

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>The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. What is the irony? Microsoft integrated copilot in Vscode, bing, etc. Apple is integrating claude in Xcode, Jetbrains has their own AI. Microsoft moved first with putting AI into their products then other companies put other AI into…

The irony is that most people don't know how to use the word ironic. Personally I blame Alanis Morissette.

The irony is biting.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by doctorpangloss »

kennywinker wrote: post #212
doctorpangloss wrote: post #155

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Apple doesn't need telemetry to send emails about their favorite coding AI to the 2 Xcode users

Off by about 33,999,998 users, but still a decent dunk. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/06/apple-now-has-ove...

We found one of the users!

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by rubicon33 »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

LLMs are actually terrible at generating art unless they're specifically trained for that type of work. Its crazy how many times I've asked for some UI elements to be drawn using a graphics context and it comes out totally wrong.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

hollowturtle wrote: post #234
adastra22 wrote: post #214

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LLMs are not Xerox machines. They can, in fact, produce better code than is in their training set.

That is funny for how much is wrong. Ask the LLMs to vibe code a text editor and you'll get a React app using Supabase. Engineering !== Token prediction

Ask the LLMs to vibe code a text editor, and you'll get pretty much what you deserve in return for zero effort of your own.

Ask the best available models -- emphasis on models -- for help designing the text editor at a structural rather than functional level first, being specific about what you want and emphasizing component-level test whenever possible, and only then follow up with actual code generation, and you'll get much better results.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by kridsdale1 »

einrealist wrote: post #225
ygritte wrote: post #208

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They are already forcing OpenAI to keep all logs. Go figure.

And people talk to GPT about very private things, using it as a shrink. What can go wrong.

China wishes they had that level of access to their people’s thoughts.

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Post by pjmlp »

nonethewiser wrote: post #341
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

>The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. What is the irony? Microsoft integrated copilot in Vscode, bing, etc. Apple is integrating claude in Xcode, Jetbrains has their own AI. Microsoft moved first with putting AI into their products then other companies put other AI into…

The irony is that Microsoft has several cases where it gets there first, only to be left behind when competition catches up.

Bing is irrelevant, VSCode might top in some places, but it is cursor and Claude that people are reaching for, VS is really only used by people like myself that still care about Windows development or console SDKs, otherwise even for .NET people are switching to Rider.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by pjmlp »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #354
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

> I also love the C++ security improvements on this release. These are courtesy of LLVM/Clang (which Xcode ships with), rather than Xcode itself.

LLVM is only relevant thanks to Apple in first place, otherwise it would still be an university project if at all, clang was born at Apple, and some of their employees are responsible for those improvements in collaboration with Google, presented at a LLVM Developers Meeting.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by slipperydippery »

_puk wrote: post #224
LinuxAmbulance wrote: post #220

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34 million developers? That number doesn't even pass a basic sniff test. Are there 34 million people that have Xcode installed? That I can believe.

If my experience is anything to go by - a good proportion of this will be people accidentally double clicking a .md (or other random text suffix), and cursing whilst they wait for XCode to slowly load enough that they can quit it and open the file in a proper lightweight editor..

Yep, I open Xcode several times per year, but haven't done it on purpose since... uh, 2014 or so?

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by tensility »

Oddly, I thought that the irony was that this was released at the same time as Anthropic changing Claude's terms of service to eliminate user privacy. So much for Apple being a privacy-first company. I guess it's okay as long as they are just piping their developers' code to a third party, eh?
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