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Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by viccis »

johnnienaked wrote: post #356
viccis wrote: post #351

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>b) "effect of", not "affect of" Oh no, oh lord lmao I meant "affect" and not "effect." You need to learn what affect means. I'm not asking you to learn about affect theory, but ffs no part of my sentence implied it meant "effect" and not "affect." Ugh. It doesn't even make sense. What would the "effect" of "poorly composed sentences" be? Only affect makes sense there.

You know that affect means to have an effect on something right?

affect

noun

    Psychology.,  feeling or emotion.

    Psychiatry.,  an expressed or observed emotional response.

    Restricted, flat, or blunted affect may be a symptom of mental illness, especially schizophrenia.

    Obsolete.,  affection; passion; sensation; inclination; inward disposition or feeling.
Now let's replace that in my original phrase:

> prose intending to imitate the affect of poorly composed sentences

becomes

> prose intending to imitate the feeling or emotion of poorly composed sentences

My point was that the author is trying to convey a specific feeling by way of poorly composed sentences. Perhaps they want a colloquial feel or a ranting feel or a rambling one. An obvious example would be the massive run-on sentence in Ulysses.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by viccis »

johnnienaked wrote: post #355
viccis wrote: post #353

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No "bub" I used it correctly. Review your effect/affect noun distinctions and try again. Google "affect theory" if that makes it easier.

"Poorly constructed sentences" don't have an a-ffect, unless you mean the irritance your poorly constructed sentence brought up in this thread.

Are you telling me the run-on sentence in Ulysses has no affect it is meant to convey?

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by johnnienaked »

viccis wrote: post #361
johnnienaked wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that affect means to have an effect on something right?

affect noun Psychology., feeling or emotion. Psychiatry., an expressed or observed emotional response. Restricted, flat, or blunted affect may be a symptom of mental illness, especially schizophrenia. Obsolete., affection; passion; sensation; inclination; inward disposition or feeling. Now let's replace that in my original phrase: > prose intending to imitate the affect of poorly composed sentences becomes > prose in…

Poorly constructed sentences cannot have an affect.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by johnnienaked »

viccis wrote: post #362
johnnienaked wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Poorly constructed sentences" don't have an a-ffect, unless you mean the irritance your poorly constructed sentence brought up in this thread.

Are you telling me the run-on sentence in Ulysses has no affect it is meant to convey?

The sentence might affect the reader, but it has no affect of itself because a sentence can't have feelings.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by viccis »

johnnienaked wrote: post #363
viccis wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

affect noun Psychology., feeling or emotion. Psychiatry., an expressed or observed emotional response. Restricted, flat, or blunted affect may be a symptom of mental illness, especially schizophrenia. Obsolete., affection; passion; sensation; inclination; inward disposition or feeling. Now let's replace that in my original phrase: > prose intending to imitate the affect of poorly composed sentences becomes > prose in…

Poorly constructed sentences cannot have an affect.

Written text can absolutely signify an affect, and poorly constructed sentences regularly do.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by creatonez »

SirChud wrote: post #342
creatonez wrote: post #189

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This is a lot better than reading a note to remind you to recite ridiculous white genocide in South Africa conspiracy theories every time you engage in a conversation.

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They have a right to chant against their former enslavers. Claiming that chant amounts to genocide is a ludicrous white supremacist conspiracy theory repeated solely by neo-Nazis, intended to prop up a brutal system of apartheid as an ideal to go back to.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by torben-friis »

viccis wrote: post #350
torben-friis wrote: post #282

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I’m curious about this (I’m not a native speaker). What alternative would you use when you want to emphasize a cause-effect relationship, in an engineering context for example? “Most times A happens before B, but this order it’s not guaranteed. Therefore, there is a possibility of {whatever}.” Alternatives that come to mind are “as a consequence”, “as a result”, “this means that”, but those are all more verbose, not…

Just take it out. It makes no difference. You set it up so clearly in your first example. "Most times A happens before B, but in this order it’s not guaranteed, so there is a possibility of {whatever}."

That forces me to keep the phrase going though, which is my usual problem when both the A,B, and whatever are already long winded.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by hmcq6 »

viccis wrote: post #153
torben-friis wrote: post #40

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My company currently has a guideline that includes “therefore” and similar words as an example of literary language we should avoid using, as it makes the reader think it’s AI. It really made me uneasy, to think that formal communication might start getting side looks.

Words like that were banned in my English classes for being empty verbiage. It's a good policy even if it seems like a silly purpose. "Therefore" is clumsy and heavy handed in most settings.

Therefore isn't empty verbiage. It's just communication, it's a conjunctive adverb. Therefore implies causation or at least some connection between clauses.

I could see arguing that starting a sentence or paragraph with "Therefore, " repeatedly in one essay is empty but tbh your teacher just sounds jaded.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by hmcq6 »

torben-friis wrote: post #282
viccis wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Words like that were banned in my English classes for being empty verbiage. It's a good policy even if it seems like a silly purpose. "Therefore" is clumsy and heavy handed in most settings.

I’m curious about this (I’m not a native speaker). What alternative would you use when you want to emphasize a cause-effect relationship, in an engineering context for example? “Most times A happens before B, but this order it’s not guaranteed. Therefore, there is a possibility of {whatever}.” Alternatives that come to mind are “as a consequence”, “as a result”, “this means that”, but those are all more verbose, not…

I disagree with v_____.

"He didn't send the letter. The lawsuit was dropped."

"He didn't send the letter therefore the lawsuit was dropped."

Two very different examples. "therefore" in the second example communicates a causal effect from the independent clause that isn't present in the first example.

I'm sure one could argue that context clues could imply that same connection and therefore "therefore" is redundant but I just don't agree with the premise.

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