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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by IshKebab »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #325

> External adapters are a thing of the past. This is both hilarious and so perfect, because they're still external adaptors , they're frickin' USB-C dongles! They just fit them within the bounding box of the laptop. Such a simple, effective solution (if you're willing to sacrifice some volume)

> they're still external ... They just fit them within the bounding box of the laptop

Erm, yeah, external means outside of something. This is a perfectly valid thing to say. Are PCIe cards "external" because you can plug them in? Obviously not.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by majewsky »

999900000999 wrote: post #350
pjmlp wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to configure it as my Thinkpad P15 from 2021, and it takes about 1000 euros more, no way I am paying over 3 000 euros for a laptop.

My big issue with any expensive portable device is I might just drop it. I'm typing on this laptop right now. I brought it for 450 USD on sale. https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-vivobook-s-14-14-oled-l... Aside from Linux driver issues, shame on our community for downplaying this, it's an amazing computer. I swapped in a 2TB SDD, and I'll be using it for years. If I drop it or do something stupid, I'm out 450$. Ev…

For what it's worth, I accidentally flung my Framework 13 across several stairs of a lecture hall. All in all, a 3 meter drop on an arched trajectory with the lid closed. The device has not been damaged except for scratches.

I wouldn't repeat this on purpose obviously, but I came away with the impression that Framework builds are not particularly brittle.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by majewsky »

eviks wrote: post #355
rendaw wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "well just make the PR yourself" comments are too reductionist myself, but in this case Framework does have space for 3rd party components in the marketplace. I don't think it'd be crazy to imagine some custom keyboards will appear there. And here's an example of someone making a custom keyboard: https://blog.perprogramming.com/posts/framework-ortholinear-... - it looks pretty awesome, and I'm fairly sure thi…

> but fit maybe 90% Bad keyboards fit 0% to the point of injuring x%. Now try to trivialize this more realistic number

How exactly does typing Fn+ArrowDown instead of PgDn lead to injuries?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by baybal2 »

999900000999 wrote: post #340

I like Framework as an idea, but we're talking about a 1500$ premium over this competing 16 inch laptop. 1200$ https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gigabyte-aero-x16-copilot-pc... I literally can buy 2 of the Gigabyte laptops for the same price. Even if I can swap out some parts, odds are it's still easier( and cheaper) to just buy a new competing laptop ever 3 years. If your motivation is "the environment" you can always…

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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by fphhotchips »

nrp wrote: post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

I understand there's two versions of requirements for the NVidia 50 series - the higher end 5070Ti and up, and the lower end 5070 and down. What's the chance of releasing a 5070Ti/5080 version?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by foxwolf »

I've really wanted a Framework laptop ever since they became available, however as a power user with poor eyesight, anything less than 17" is an automatic deal-breaker for me. I need the text to be legible if a full page is displayed in a PDF reader that's snapped to fill half the screen.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by nicolaslem »

Tepix wrote: post #234
drcongo wrote: post #198

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I'm one month into owning a GMKTec Evo-X2 with the new mad AMD gpu in it and so far I've managed to get Ollama running. ROCm doesn't officially support the GPU and everything seems to be hacky workaround on top of hacky workaround. Starting to wish I'd just waited for NVIDIA to actually release the project digits thing.

So, how did you get it running? I‘m about to get a Bosgame M5 (same CPU).

I would recommend not wasting time with ollama, https://github.com/containers/ramalama just works on that chip.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by eviks »

majewsky wrote: post #363
eviks wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but fit maybe 90% Bad keyboards fit 0% to the point of injuring x%. Now try to trivialize this more realistic number

How exactly does typing Fn+ArrowDown instead of PgDn lead to injuries?

Why would you miss the keyboard forest that's explicitly linked to in the comment for the tiny blade of grass that is PgDn?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by account42 »

majewsky wrote: post #362
999900000999 wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My big issue with any expensive portable device is I might just drop it. I'm typing on this laptop right now. I brought it for 450 USD on sale. https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-vivobook-s-14-14-oled-l... Aside from Linux driver issues, shame on our community for downplaying this, it's an amazing computer. I swapped in a 2TB SDD, and I'll be using it for years. If I drop it or do something stupid, I'm out 450$. Ev…

For what it's worth, I accidentally flung my Framework 13 across several stairs of a lecture hall. All in all, a 3 meter drop on an arched trajectory with the lid closed. The device has not been damaged except for scratches. I wouldn't repeat this on purpose obviously, but I came away with the impression that Framework builds are not particularly brittle.

I would not consider a single anecdote about (no) damage from dropping to mean anything at all as there is always a very high variance with that. For many devices you can drop them dozens of times without any major issues or you can get unlucky once.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by account42 »

999900000999 wrote: post #351
wolvesechoes wrote: post #347

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> If your motivation is "the environment" you can always just donate your old laptop If you care about environment make regulator force companies to make repairable and upgradeable hardware. That could actually have an impact. Putting burden on consumer choices is one of the biggest hoaxes of modern capitalism.

All I want is safe to replace batteries and SSDs. Both are wear parts.

Many laptops just use regular M.2 SSDs which are easy enough to replace. For me this is a requirement not just for repairs but also for the initial configuration - bundled storage options are usually too limited.

Batteries are harder because the race to reduce thickness and weight means that they are usually optimized for that rather than being some standard format you can find replacements for.

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