Ofcom can fine 4chan all it wants, but without UK assets those penalties are unenforceable, they have no power here. This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.
> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom. the 3% tariff on Chinese tea was seen as oppressive don't look at what has been imposed this year (without congressional approval)
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#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.
> AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters. When were UK citizens polled on these policies before politicians started enforcing them? And I think after Brexit, the UK government learned never to ask the opinions of their citizens again, because they will vote in direct opposition of the political status quo out of sheer spite of their politicians. There are huge flaws with…
Why is this allowed? Why aren't there laws in place to hold politicians accountable for the promises they make to get elected?
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This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.
I heard things about UK arresting people for social media posts but thought it was just a few cases cherry picked. But I recently looked up the scale of arrests and it's really insane. Police are arresting over 12,000 people each year for social media posts and other online communications deemed “grossly offensive,” “indecent,” “obscene,” or “menacing.” This averages to around 33 arrests per day. These arrests are pr…
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/select-communications-off...
It is hard to get good data on this, but it is probably a combination of overzealous policing (which is indeed bad) and an increase in arrests for behavior that arguably is a police matter, such as domestic abuse, harassment, etc. I would not be surprised to discover that there is more online harassment now than there was in 2010.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
#364The next step I assume is banning VPN use for anyone under 18 in the UK, followed by only allowing academics or certain roles to use them.
Banning VPNs seems effectively impossible. Any ip address can act as a vpn. There are also zero identity providers like mullvad.
I imagine this would curtail a large proportion of mobile VPN usage.
Blocking desktop VPNs would be a bit more adhoc but it is possible to make it much harder for many people to download VPN clients.
[1] https://www.digitalsilk.com/digital-trends/mobile-vs-desktop...
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.
I heard things about UK arresting people for social media posts but thought it was just a few cases cherry picked. But I recently looked up the scale of arrests and it's really insane. Police are arresting over 12,000 people each year for social media posts and other online communications deemed “grossly offensive,” “indecent,” “obscene,” or “menacing.” This averages to around 33 arrests per day. These arrests are pr…
If you are gonna end up being arrested for protesting or giving your opinion, it is funnier to do it in the streets than on facebook. And it is probably much easier to be anonymous nowadays in the streets with a mask than on social media.
This is probably why the UK went in flame recently, the government cracked down on the Internet and people just went in the streets instead.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.
I've posted this before, but it's relevant here: 'The UK’s Online Safety Act didn’t come from Parliament or the public' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ2AokZujC0 (watch from about 4:20)
It was debated at length in parliament and it was voted into legislation by parliament. It was developed by a Tory government and has been implemented by a Labour one.
I don't like the OSA but the whole 'robber baron' organisation thing in that video is just .. well Andrew Carnegie died more than a hundred years ago. He funded a lot of charitable organisations including one that has funded work in this area.
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
> AIUI, the UK is a democracy The House of Lords disagrees and the Monarch disagree. Sometimes they cosplay as a democracy.
Neither the House of Lords or the Monarch can actually stop Parliament passing a law. They can in some cases slow them down, but if Parliament really wants a law passed it will happen.
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> See BlueSky just rolled out Terms ToS that the automated UN Safety (censorship) laws they will accept. This is an automated pipeline for the "censorship demand data notice" can be applied in an automated why. I feel like you are missing some words or have some typos because this isn't comprehensible English.
It's an understandable English even for non-native speaker like me. You are probably not very exposed to non-native speakers.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
#369Earlier quoted context omitted.
> AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters. When were UK citizens polled on these policies before politicians started enforcing them? And I think after Brexit, the UK government learned never to ask the opinions of their citizens again, because they will vote in direct opposition of the political status quo out of sheer spite of their politicians. There are huge flaws with…
> the politicians do a 180 once they get voted to power or forget about them because political promises are worthless and non-binding, meaning they lied themselves into power. Why is this allowed? Why aren't there laws in place to hold politicians accountable for the promises they make to get elected?
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Just give up a few more rights…for everyone’s safety. Think of the children!
“just one more law bro. i promise bro just one more law and we’ll be safe bro. it’s just a little more surveillance bro. please just one more. one more law and we’ll stop all the threats bro. bro c’mon just give me access to your data and we’ll protect you i promise bro. think of the children bro. bro bro please we just need one more law bro, one more camera, one more database, and then we’ll all be safe bro”