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From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by garbagepatch »

romanovcode wrote: post #164
pjerem wrote: post #80

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I’d say it’s barely 3 things : - The trackpad (but other manufacturers now have tolerable alternatives and anyway you can work without it) - The screen : at an equivalent price point (and even more), nothing comes close to Apple screens. The cheapest MacBook have a better screen than most high end PCs. - The audio : Apple truly did some sorcery to get such an awesome sound from machines that are flat as sheet. It’s s…

> - The trackpad (but other manufacturers now have tolerable alternatives and anyway you can work without it) It is my understanding that Apple did lock their trackpad tech behind a patent and that is why all the others suck. So it's really not their fault and it is very unfortunate if that's the case.

I'd like to see the others go for the tech behind the Steamdeck touchpads. That's way better.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by commandersaki »

strix_varius wrote: post #259
wolvesechoes wrote: post #181

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Guy is talking about laptop lasting for 5 years as not something that is special, and you respond with awesome sound quality. Apple threads are always so funny.

Uh he provided counter points to your distortion field comment, he doesn't have to just +1 the exact point of view of the parent comment. But here I'll bite: I've had MBPs for work for like 15 years now and I bought a personal high spec Thinkpad. I now regret that purchase because my work machine is better than my personal machine in literally every way. My over $2k Thinkpad just sits there gathering dust because I d…

My 12" powerbook from 2002 lasted well into 2011 until I formally retired it by giving to a mate.

Most of my macbook airs have lasted at least 7 to 8 years. None have actually died and were still intact, but I just gave them away, so I don't know how much longer they lasted.

My 2015 macbook pro (pre butterfly) is still going strong today; I did a battery replacement myself which was a huge pain in the arse, so it definitely feels replenished.

I have replaced many of my family members laptops with M-series laptops, nay issue, and I have a feeling they'll easily go a decade, though at some point they'll all need the battery replaced (but I will probably just have Apple do it this time - unless it is easy now with the repair manuals being available by Apple).

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by KerrAvon »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #290
pjerem wrote: post #80

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I’d say it’s barely 3 things : - The trackpad (but other manufacturers now have tolerable alternatives and anyway you can work without it) - The screen : at an equivalent price point (and even more), nothing comes close to Apple screens. The cheapest MacBook have a better screen than most high end PCs. - The audio : Apple truly did some sorcery to get such an awesome sound from machines that are flat as sheet. It’s s…

Interestingly, I really don't like MacBook trackpads. The actuation force is too high for my taste. Maybe this has changed.

That’s controlled entirely by software, and you can lower it or raise it if you so desire.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by LorenDB »

woleium wrote: post #358
rangestransform wrote: post #328

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The audio is magic because Apple overdrives their speakers by analyzing the signal to stay under the sustained power limit of the speaker, instead of clipping everything at the sustained power limit. https://forum.devtalk.com/t/a-reason-why-mac-speakers-sound-...

so someone could write an app for windows to do the same thing?

Asahi Linux already is doing it for Linux: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/asahi-audio

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by ToDougie »

sandreas wrote: post #308
Retr0id wrote: post #302

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I use Fedora+Gnome on a 2021 MBP and the hardware+firmware+driver+software combination is perfect as far as I'm concerned.

How does the Palm-Detection work? To test this, you can do the following: Place your palm where the X-es are, then try to scroll with two fingers or move your mouse. I don't like that the mouse does not react anymore if the palm is placed there - it should just be ignored. ┌─────────────────────────┐ │XXX │ │XX │ │X │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─────────────────────────┘

My Dell Precision laptop running Win11 handles this perfectly. Wish I had tried this sooner :P

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by commandersaki »

jasoneckert wrote: post #29

I think the biggest takeaway from this blog post is that developers and other professionals should take more note of the tiling window managers available on Linux like Sway and Hyprland - they are insanely fast and customizable to exactly what we need to be more productive. I'm a Sway user (ironically on Fedora Asahi Remix on a Mac) and I won't have it any other sway... er... I mean way.

I feel like I completely missed the boat on tiling WMs; I was a Linux user since '97 to 2002, and then for the most part Mac/Windows since then. I just deal with the chaotic madness of floating windows. I did try to spend a year on Linux as my work laptop with sway, and while tiling was just okay, I just felt less productive compared to my colleagues that were wizzes with it. Also using Ghidra with sway was incredibly painful, mostly due to the whole Java AWT thing, but it was a necessary part of my job.

I'm sure there's certain things that I do that are inefficient with floating windows - even despite with macos now having a bit of tiling management, but it's just easier to deal with on the brain. I'm not really organised or methodical for the most part and I kind of like it that way.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by rjzzleep »

KerrAvon wrote: post #357
rjzzleep wrote: post #283

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It's not really Linux' fault. Most It's Microsoft that forced this, and most vendors don't know how to deal with this and work proper firmware. I think Framework and Valve fixed theirs. I have a GPD and just found out that the reason I kept getting it wake from sleep was some MS related option triggering an ACPI IRQ 9 sleep wake. On another note, I actually think that the most important things that work better on the…

I think Intel is partially at fault. On Apple’s Intel hardware, suspend and resume worked, but it was very slow due to the weirdly baroque power management. The M1 MacBooks were a revelation; the screen woke instantly when you opened it.

AMD removed s3 suspend support on Phoenix due to Microsoft pressure. So you can enter S3, but the GPU can't resume from it.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by leeman2016 »

commandersaki wrote: post #359
baq wrote: post #340

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As a user I don't care whose fault is it. I want my laptop to go to sleep when I close the lid; I want it to stay asleep while the lid is closed; I want it to wake when I open the lid. Only macs seem to be able to do that consistently; I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but over the past decade I haven't found a counterexample yet.

I don't think that's even true with my m3 mbp16. I haven't tweaked with the power settings but I'm pretty sure it is in a connected sleep state when I close the lid; at least when I'm hotspotting my phone will register it as a connected device.

Yes, I can confirm. But i thought that was by design

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by turtlebits »

cycomanic wrote: post #76

> But the quality of MacBooks is just another level. I had 3 or 4 so far since 2010, and each of them held at least 5 years. Crazy good. When I read things like this it really sounds like there is some reality distortion field in the mac world. How is that anywhere special? I'm running a thinkpad X1 as my 2 main laptops (it was my only work machine until 2 years ago) and I never felt the need to replace it. It gave m…

Nothing matches the build quality, display and general feel of macbooks.

IME, (possibly outdated), but thinkpads have some of the worst quality displays I've ever seen.

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