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Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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But why are you using the MK3S+ as a comparison point, instead of an MK4/S or Core One?

Because I, unlike many people here apparently, possess a finite quantity of money.

Yeah but you’re comparing the cost to a current gen Prusa and the performance to a last gen Prusa.

You need to pick one generation to compare both.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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post #351

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It's not a binary too string / too weak. It's that _copyright_: - protects the wrong entities (corporations instead of individuals who did the real work) - IP should be collectively owned by the people who created it and selling it should be illegal, - is too long, yes - DMCA can be used to harass without actually owning the IP and there are no penalties - the fair use exception can be used to allow clear cases of pl…

I'm really fascinated about heavy downvotes for your post because it makes a lot of sense. I wonder who the people who show up to defend IP law are in these conversations. Why do it? What's the gain?

Who knows? Votes should be public, otherwise this is an easy way to make opinions less visible without having to provide any justification.

Sometimes very similar comments in favor of protecting producers get upvotes on one post and downvotes on another. I also started seeing a pattern - even if a particular comment ends up downvoted in the end, there's usually a few upvotes first, sometimes with comments, then downvotes quickly to get it negative and there's never any comments justifying it and few if any comments after it gets negative. This indicates downvoting works well to silence the discussion.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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>Given the advent of computers, the internet, video conferencing, it is outrageous how much of the current system requires physical paper, physical presence in a courtroom. It is outrageous how the slowness and cost of the system itself is used by the wealthy to bully the poor. You're leaving out the part that there are a limited number of judges, and to be a good judge requires a LOT of education, a LOT of experienc…

How about making everything a jury trial? How about same-day trials? How about trials that take hours not years? How about doing things so fast events are still fresh in people's minds, and information can flow directly from the witnesses to the ears of the jury?

You realize a jury trial would make everything even slower right?

Jury selection alone can take months…

And doesn’t solve the judge problem at all.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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I bought my Voron Trident as a kit (from a Chinese company) and it is wonderful. As you say, there is an almost complete dependence on components made in China, but at least I can swap out / fix / upgrade parts as much as I like. I've also been able to make use of the schematics on the controller boards to troubleshoot issues myself and other people were having. Very happy I went this route vs Bambu. This printer is…

Agreed! I love my Trident. This is the best hobby I have taken up in a long time. So fulfilling. Especially now that I'm learning freecad. Getting started can be expensive. There is an awesome community on discord that loves to help, and there are lots of small businesses that sell every part you can think of, custom mods from github, and if you email them they will respond promptly and personally. 10/10

+1 for FreeCAD. It has come a long way with the release of 1.0 Yeah it is still well behind the big players, but it can do what I need it to do as a hobbyist and there are lots of nice improvements like the new transform tool in the weekly releases. Some of the folks on the FreeCAD Discord actually suggest treating FreeCAD as a rolling release and using the weeklies rather than sit on 1.0 until 1.1 comes out.

I also appreciate those folks that model stuff in FreeCAD and share their models along with the .stl files on Thingiverse or Printables. It is really a good way to discover new ways of using the program.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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It would allow anyone to patent spam though, that could be a good thing.

How? Compare to email spam where the cost is zero. Is that in any way better than a world where it takes substantial capital to send email spam? Lower cost = more patents = more patent trolls = less innovation.

Any company that tried to bring a lawsuit for patent infringement would potentially face dozens of suits for their own infringement, a kind of legal mutually assured destruction.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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> - protects the wrong entities (corporations instead of individuals who did the real work) - IP should be collectively owned by the people who created it and selling it should be illegal, That's like say a band getting an advance to record their album should be illegal. Without access to people with money now a lot of it wouldn't get made. And if they are fronting the money before it exists, then they are taking ris…

The other replies are good. The general principle is inverting who has power. It should always be with people doing real positive-sum work, not those with money whose primary business of redistributing money and taking a cut. If they are allowed to ask for something, they will and because they have more power, they are able to pressure people into unfavorable deals. They don't need your band, there's plenty of others…

> It should always be with people doing real positive-sum work, not those with money

I don't like the conclusion, but I've convinced myself that curating and selecting what is worth doing is actually the real work. Picking where the bridge is to go is more important than building it. So allocating money is the important work. It feels icky to me... but also inescapable.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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post #295

I started in Reprap in 2011...frequently spoke with Prusa and many, many others in IRC. Watched the development and commercialization of the whole project through the years. My main takeaway (and one that I attempted to point out often) is that the value of the Reprap project and it's OSHW nature was not to "own a machine"...the true value was the process of building the machine, tuning and evolving. This all began t…

It's nice to have a (niche) community around open source HW, but I'd argue it's even better when that community's ideals and ethics can spread to more people through OSHW business, not to mention the benefits flowing back to the community like e.g. cheaper parts.

No one's taking away the community right now, but if the business around it is disappearing, that's also a shame.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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post #295

I started in Reprap in 2011...frequently spoke with Prusa and many, many others in IRC. Watched the development and commercialization of the whole project through the years. My main takeaway (and one that I attempted to point out often) is that the value of the Reprap project and it's OSHW nature was not to "own a machine"...the true value was the process of building the machine, tuning and evolving. This all began t…

Some people want a hobby. some people want a tool to use.

Re: Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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The Chinese stuff is now more often than not better. You cannot be the world's manufacturer for 30 years and not get good at making stuff.

I always think it is amusing that some people make the mistake of thinking that the Chinese can only make cheap crap(forgetting all their cell phones and apple laptops come from there). The American market only wants to buy cheap crap so that is what is made and sent. Usually though the skills involved in making something cut-rate are just as applicable to making something top notch. American manufacturing skills hav…

I think it makes more sense to separate "cheap" from "crap". US/EU never valued East Asian labor at equal value. Rather than complaining, East Asia just "let them have it" and it wrecked industrial base for both in the long run.

I mean, it doesn't make sense that typical guidance units for missiles are more expensive than DJI drones. Everyone thinks Chinese products got a little more expensive lately, so they must have quit doing cheap part of cheap and crap, and it's just my gut feeling, but, I would be not so sure about that.

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post #139

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> a proper "Engrish" instruction manual At what point do the instruction manuals stop catering to Engrish and start focusing on 汉字?

Recently I've bought a Xiaomi beard trimmer on AliExpress and its box and manual are 100% in Chinese. Google Translate took care of it. Why did I buy a Xiaomi beard trimmer on AliExpress? It looks like all western brands decided to keep using NiMH batteries on their designs, and I really don't like my trimmers dying in the middle of a cut and me, now with a half-shaved beard, having to wait 12 hours for it to recharg…

Interesting. I never cared about what my Japanese beard trimmer uses as battery, because whenever it dies on me (which is long after prominently lighting a red LED), it works instantly fine connected to the wall to let me finish my cut, and can take however long it wants to recharge after that ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯
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