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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by irusensei »

wkat4242 wrote: post #38
scarface_74 wrote: post #26

I’m by no means a Trump fan. But I thought it was negligent how the Biden administration didn’t fight for American tech companies internationally and how the prior administration was actively hostile to them. Then people wonder why tech embraced Trump.

Trump will do a lot more harm to US tech companies than Biden. A lot of us here in Europe are moving away from US tech, and as we are building more of our own it's very unlikely we will come back. Right now there aren't too many EU alternatives yet which is why you don't really notice yet. But the damaged trust in the US as a 'partner' will outlive Trump for decades. As they say "trust arrives on foot and leaves on h…

> A lot of us here in Europe are moving away from US tech

Are we? My impression is the other way around so could you clarify what are we building that is going to move away from US tech?

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by RumourRider »

weavejester wrote: post #322
ethbr1 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK citizens don't have a constitutional right to free speech, which tends to bleed over in unhealthy ways to the government prioritizing its own interests over citizens'.

> UK citizens don't have a constitutional right to free speech They do. The UK has an uncodified constitution, and this includes the Human Rights Act, which guarantees freedom of expression to UK citizens.

We do not. There are so many caveats in relevant part of the human rights act.

> The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part...

While the US has restrictions on speech, there are far far fewer restrictions.

The "uncodified constitution" that we have doesn't guarantee you "Freedom of Speech" either. I've read the relevant parts of the constitution in the UK. It gives Parliamentarians the right to unlimited speech.

Finally "Freedom of Expression" and "Freedom of Speech" are not the same thing.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by ascorbic »

wkat4242 wrote: post #184
ascorbic wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still European though.

Geographically, yes. But they've made it clear they don't want anything to do with us. Also, the 3-year period after brexit with all the whining about their 'deal' (knowing that what they wanted was legally impossible) was so annoying I'm kinda done with them. Too much drama for too long. So I've stopped buying UK products and services (eg raspberry pi) and don't consider traveling there anymore. Just like I'm doing…

In the context of so-called "European elites threatening freedom and democracy", the UK is very much included in that category, as this story demonstrated.

On the other point, while you can of course boycott anything for whatever reasons you want for as long as you want, you do realise that the UK has a different government now. One that opposed Brexit, and has already signed agreements for closer cooperation with the EU. I still boycott Dyson because of his support for Brexit, but boycotting an entire country because of the actions of a former government that is now in opposition seems a bit pointless.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by irusensei »

wkat4242 wrote: post #57
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just seems very unrealistic wishful thinking that Europe would suddenly become good at these kinds of software after spending the last few decades being bad at it.

It's a lot easier now because there's a huge demand all of a sudden for local services. Previously it was hard to compete with the US because the lack of regulation there and investors in the EU having more expectations rather than just throwing money at the wall and hoping it sticks. But with the exploitative business models like Google's consumer tracking and now with Trump and his trade wars the US is no longer vi…

I live in the EU and never heard about BuyFromEU.

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Post by RumourRider »

prasadjoglekar wrote: post #342
pabs3 wrote: post #331

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How does free speech guarantee privacy?

Encryption itself is a form of speech. Therefore the govt can't force you to decrypt. Guarantee is too strong of a word, but this is the concept.

You are supposed to have a 4th & 5th Amendment rights in the US. However a Judge can order you to decrypt a drive given probable cause IIRC. There have been cases where Judges have jailed people for disobeying an order to decrypt a drive.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by HeckFeck »

ethbr1 wrote: post #300
caycep wrote: post #168

I don't get why the UK always does this. it's like GSM encryption all over again. Is it a particularly snoop-ey culture stemming from GCHQ or something?

UK citizens don't have a constitutional right to free speech, which tends to bleed over in unhealthy ways to the government prioritizing its own interests over citizens'.

There is freedom of speech if you are a MP speaking in Parliament (Parliamentary privilege) but outside of there, things have been on a steady decline since the 1980s.

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Post by xwolfi »

EasyMark wrote: post #269
ok123456 wrote: post #115

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"We have never built." ok, so then who built it?

Is it a big deal though? Context matters. Everyone knows you don't do business in China without bending a knee to the government in all things. If you don't you are shut down completely if you're lucky, imprisoned if not. Of course CCP has access to every device in China approaching very close to 100%

What are you saying, I'm in China it's completely false. There is very lax enforcement, and if there is enforcement, there's always an opportunity to bribe.

The communist party doesn't have "access" to a billion phones: what would they even do with all that garbage. They can ask Wechat what you send your friends, sure, and that's enough to police most crimes.

We don't have the budget or organizational acumen of the NSA.

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Post by nobunaga »

cbeach wrote: post #150

Say what you will about JD Vance but he has passionately confronted the European elites on their surveillance overreach and clearly it's had an impact. We may not like everything about the current American administration, but credit where due.

lol

You realise its only the UK that is the surveillance nightmare here? EU has strong privacy and data protections.

Then again im probably talking to a maga republican that just regurgitates what their media tells them

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by tpm »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #359
Synaesthesia wrote: post #340

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In practice there isn't freedom of speech. The UK government violates that all the time. Their agencies operate in secrecy and they have raided newspapers offices and destroyed data, arrested journalists and taken people's private information at borders.

Doesn't this apply to literally every government on earth?

No.

> they have raided newspapers offices and destroyed data, arrested journalists and taken people's private information at borders

This does not happen in many countries.

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