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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by scotty79 »

bevesce- wrote: post #352
nradov wrote: post #322

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Cheer up! For the average HN user, things are better now than they ever have been in human history.

Why is that a reason to cheer up? When I think about it, I’m miserable most of the time—and knowing that life was even worse for most people throughout history only makes me feel sadder.

I think he was being sarcastic. But on the internet you can't really tell.

Adopt absurdism. Nothing really matters and it's grotesquely hilarious at the same time. That might cheer you up. Occasionally.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by scotty79 »

djoldman wrote: post #69

The part that seems to be lost in all this is that there's really no purpose to learning/exploring/explaining unless it points to action. Knowing you have ADHD, childhood trauma, attachment issues, etc. is useless if that knowledge does not enable you to take action or if you don't intend to take action. Unless you just enjoy the learning for the learnings sake, seek to learn so as to plan and execute.

> useless if that knowledge does not enable you to take action

Knowledge almost always results in some for of action.

Fore example if I know I have schizoid personality, I don't need to stress out about getting to know people just in case I might at some point start needing human contact. Because I know I won't.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by seethedeaduu »

marsten wrote: post #227
Walf wrote: post #167

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I'm sure there are those who self-diagnose without really suffering from a condition, but you do realise time blindness is a real issue, right? https://www.simplypsychology.org/adhd-time-blindness.html I don't watch TikTok videos, I don't use Instagram, but I have been plagued by these symptoms my entire life, and don't really care about others opinions on it. You probably don't have it if those symptoms don't resona…

The problem isn't that time blindness is a fake issue. The problem is that many people incorrectly self-diagnose as suffering from conditions like time blindness. Which they do for a variety of reasons: To externalize accountability for why they're late, to feel special, and so on. A comparison is the large number of people who claim "gluten sensitivity" and maintain special diets. Now there are serious medical condi…

I assume that your solution is having a professional diagnosis.

Sadly this doesn't really work due to the current state of psychiatry where many people with legitimate issues are being denied a diagnosis and treatment (see for example: trans healthcare and gatekeeping, adhd healthcare, etc). It is even more weird because often when you go to two different doctors you will get different results.

Not to mention that usually to even explore the idea of getting an official diagnosis you start with a self diagnosis.

> But the vast majority of self-diagnosed "gluten sensitives" do not have such conditions.

If you believe that you have celiac but for whatever reason you haven't been able to test it yet, then there is no harm to try going glutten free. The real issue is how many people deny the very existence of glutten sensitivity and put these people in danger. If you look at communities of people with the disease you will see what I am talking about.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by seethedeaduu »

verisimi wrote: post #283
9dev wrote: post #271

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That's not what they said. Whether your condition is diagnosed or not, it's your responsibility to take care of it. If you're chronically late, you should set timers or write notes or whatever helps—whether you've got class-A ADHD and take meds or just assume there's something wrong with your sense of time. Just saying "I'm time blind, sorry not sorry, deal with it" is not an appropriate reaction to causing trouble t…

You're missing my point. I'm not trying to deal with the 'conditions' that individuals or groups say they have. My point is that if a group says a person has a condition it's considered real, but if an individual says so, it's not. It's a point about deferring to authority over what is existent or not. Who defines conditions, says that ADHD is real, for example? It wasn't in earlier generations. The are terms of soci…

Yeah this is sadly common. People with autism, adhd, or who are trans are infantilized and have their agency removed from them when dealing with the medical establishment. In a "I will tell you how you feel" way.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by seethedeaduu »

nradov wrote: post #301
Walf wrote: post #222

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Sorry, but you clearly have no idea what it's like to actually deal with this, at all. If I try to be on time to things, I will be stupidly early, or still think I have time to do tasks A & B before doing C, because they invariably take more or less time than I estimate. Or I start doing tasks X & Y, because I'm easily distracted, you know because it's a deficit in attention. Don't trivialise what you don't understan…

Do or do not, there is no "try". If you know you have to leave home at 7:00 AM to avoid being late then just set an alarm at that time. When it goes off then walk out the door, even if you're in the middle of some other task. Like if you're brewing coffee then just unplug the machine and leave: no coffee for you today. Don't allow yourself the opportunity to get distracted. Simple.

Reminds me of my doctor who thought that adhd was not real and his solution to my issues was "just do it lmao"

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by pramodbiligiri »

muzani wrote: post #220
parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

My parents did psychology and they always warned us about this. Bayesianism helps but isn't taught well enough in school. Basically, we fail to handle the false positive and false negatives into the calculation, and this happens a lot with psychologists as well. This is really the point where people say untrained 'professionals' are dangerous - they can't evaluate that inaccuracy of the diagnosis itself. This is the…

That's a good one. Some people might like the "odds" based version of Bayes' theorem: https://betterexplained.com/articles/understanding-bayes-the...

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

Walf wrote: post #249
osn9363739 wrote: post #239

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You have to do something about it though. You either come up with strategies to work with the condition or what? Just give up?

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I think part of why time blindness / chronic lateness gets such visceral responses is that the behavior is a broken promise generator. The impact feels very personal.

Continuing with the walking stick metaphor...it'd be like if the person with the walking stick was frequently committing to go jogging, hiking, etc with others. They know the activity might be beyond their capabilities, but they keep saying they'll go on the difficult hiking trail or whatever. This impacts the plan for everyone else.

Saying you'll be somewhere at a particular time is a commitment to someone else. If you're making commitments and frequently breaking them, people will react badly to that.

Having had a number of chronically late people pass through my life, I've often heard "be there in a second", "I'm on my way", "5 minutes, max" and similar phrases once the person is late. What I rarely hear is proactive acknowledgement and ownership of the issue.

The commitments you make as a chronically late person need to include your chronic lateness as a factor, just as the mobility limited person should take their limitations into account before signing up for the group hike.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by paganel »

stevenAthompson wrote: post #128
parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

The author's concerns would mostly all be ameliorated by logging out of TikTok and never logging back in. They seem to think that "TikTok" and "Society" are synonyms. They are not.

It has definitely slipped into real life, amongst us, persons who don't use TikTok. And I've recently heard therapy talk related to relationships/love coming from a close person who I know for certain that doesn't use TikTok, and she's also in her mid to late-30s (so no zoomer).

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov »

scotty79 wrote: post #361
bevesce- wrote: post #352

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Why is that a reason to cheer up? When I think about it, I’m miserable most of the time—and knowing that life was even worse for most people throughout history only makes me feel sadder.

I think he was being sarcastic. But on the internet you can't really tell. Adopt absurdism. Nothing really matters and it's grotesquely hilarious at the same time. That might cheer you up. Occasionally.

Not sarcastic. Only people who are ignorant about history believe that things are really bad today. If you live in an industrialized country that isn't in the middle of a shooting war then things are objectively pretty awesome compared to the average conditions that humans have endured.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov »

bevesce- wrote: post #352
nradov wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheer up! For the average HN user, things are better now than they ever have been in human history.

Why is that a reason to cheer up? When I think about it, I’m miserable most of the time—and knowing that life was even worse for most people throughout history only makes me feel sadder.

Turn that around and ask yourself why that's a reason to be miserable. Your sadness is a choice. Be miserable if you want to but that won't improve the circumstances for yourself or anyone else.
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