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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by krapp »

triceratops wrote: post #348
krapp wrote: post #345

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There is no other, better, more humane form of capitalism. Capitalism's only concern is the generation and control of capital by the capitalist class. It isn't that capitalists want to destroy the environment, it's that they don't care about the environment beyond it being a resource to be exploited and consumed. "Better capitalism" just means doing more of that exploitation faster and more efficiently. I don't know…

> I don't know what you love and call capitalism Private property and competitive free markets. I just don't like where they end up. I think they need a firm hand to keep from turning into a paperclip maximizer. Maybe that's impossible, but we can't know until we really try. It's not like other systems have a better track record on environmental protection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

>It's not like other systems have a better track record on environmental protection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

Socialism is the firm hand keeping capitalism at bay. Environmental laws, labor laws and the abolition of child labor, the 8 hour workday, weekends, minimum wage and overtime, disability rights and social welfare (such as it exists in the US) are all due to socialist activism in spite of the free market. The Black Panthers are the reason American schools have free lunches.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by ben_w »

SirMaster wrote: post #342
ben_w wrote: post #309

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To hazard a guess: because Google et al think you're the kind of person who clicks that kind of source. When I search for list of superpowers, I get superheroes — obviously nobody on Marvel or DC is going to be listed as having "Russia" as their superpower, but this does illustrate what it is that search engines do these days, and it's not objective truth.

When you search for a list of superpowers? I mean did you not simply include the word countries? Do you have a good authoritative source that lists the superpower countries that does not include Russia?

> When you search for a list of superpowers? I mean did you not simply include the word countries?

Sure, but also in writing this reply, "cia superpower list" to see if they had anything "authoritative" got me CIA's paranormal research: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00792r000...

> Do you have a good authoritative source that lists the superpower countries that does not include Russia?

In most cases, the statement I see is that the USA is "the", singular, superpower. So none of my sources are lists.

What counts as a "good authoritative source", for you? And when?

Samuel P. Huntington was highly rated in his day, but "The Lonely Superpower" was 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/20060427150630/http://www-stage....

RAND I think still are, and this was 2019, "Russia Is a Rogue, Not a Peer; China Is a Peer, Not a Rogue": https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE310.html

Is nationalinterest.org "authoritative"? "What Happens When America Is No Longer the Undisputed Super Power?", 2020: https://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-happens-when-ameri...

I could link to Wikipedia, which says of Russia "potential" superpower (along with the EU, China, and India), not currently an extant superpower. But that's not what I'd call "authoritative".

And this is the point where I got that link to the CIA's paranormal research. The CIA's World Factbook doesn't even describe the USA as a "superpower", at least not at the time of writing: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/united-stat...

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by triceratops »

krapp wrote: post #361
triceratops wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know what you love and call capitalism Private property and competitive free markets. I just don't like where they end up. I think they need a firm hand to keep from turning into a paperclip maximizer. Maybe that's impossible, but we can't know until we really try. It's not like other systems have a better track record on environmental protection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

>It's not like other systems have a better track record on environmental protection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea Socialism is the firm hand keeping capitalism at bay. Environmental laws, labor laws and the abolition of child labor, the 8 hour workday, weekends, minimum wage and overtime, disability rights and social welfare (such as it exists in the US) are all due to socialist activism in spite of the fre…

Well great let's have more of that without losing private property or instituting central planning.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by navane »

aisenik wrote: post #326
southernplaces7 wrote: post #320

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Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good.

It is essential to understand the concepts involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide And then you can take your pick of media outlets. The Office Of Remigration is happening, they aren't hiding it. For example: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/politics/rubio-lays-out-detai... This is just one clear-cut example of the adminis…

On these wiki definitions:

Ethnic cleansing: "with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilation or mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group"

"Mass killings" is a big detail which is hard to overlook. If we can't agree where ethnic cleansing includes mass killing it's hard too agree if ethnic cleansing is taking place.

Personally, ethnic cleansing to me sounds like Rwanda or Yugoslavia, which is not happening in the US yet.

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Post by const_cast »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #320
aisenik wrote: post #316

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Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good.

I agree that "genocide" might be a bit hyperbolic, but I think it's important to note that pretty much all genocides historically were done covertly, and under the guise of legitimate policy. If there were a genocide going on right now, it's entirely possible most people would not know and it could even be hidden in plain sight.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by const_cast »

dgb23 wrote: post #235
close04 wrote: post #201

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> The ties between the fossil fuel industry and the far right are clear. The fossil fuel industry has ties to anyone who will promote their business. > Fossil fuel interests will stop at nothing to further their greed. Exactly. Nothing. If tomorrow the left advances their interest be sure that the fossil fuel industry will just as quickly attach to them.

Is there a term to describe "whataboutism but it's not even happening"?

I believe the term is "dishonesty".

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Post by BlueTemplar »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #332
ychnd wrote: post #324

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> Currently, the Trump admin is actually deporting fewer illegal immigrants per month from the U.S than either the Biden or Obama admins did previously.

Interesting, got any source for this claim ?

Whether current claims are overblown or not, I assume that it's what Trump 2 might do next that is a cause of concern for a lot of people. Between his mercurial behaviour, disregard for the rule of law, and some of the previously stated goals...

The situation is quite different of course, but one of the planned first "Jewish Solutions" by the Nazi regime was instead deporting them to... Madagascar. (A really weird alternative to consider to the current Israelo-Palestinian conflict, huh. Someone should perhaps write an alternative Man in a High Castle story about this...)

Things can turn very bad quite quickly when previous norms of behaviour go out of the window...

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by jahsome »

timr wrote: post #269
jahsome wrote: post #145

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C'mon bud, you've got a PhD. You don't really need some uneducated filth to point out how you were disengenous. But just in case: you made a prejudiced assumption and then boldly claimed you didn't. And you didn't state an opinion, you presented it as (probable) fact. You can couch it with all the adverbs you want, your own snobby disdain shines right through.

I said a movie was bad because I don’t enjoy being lectured about science by actors, many (if not most) of whom have only the most tenuous grasp of science. I wasn’t being “disingenuous”. I meant every word. It’s fine if you think I’m a snob, but I’m not “lying”. Y’all seem to have a hard time accepting that some people might not like propaganda, even if it is propaganda for things you support.

Your still lying. Saying you didn't say something which you very much did, and then claiming you said something completely different are forms of lying.

It's not the opposition to propaganda folks bristle with, it's the self-important passive aggressive elitism.

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Post by Buttons840 »

hollerith wrote: post #339
Buttons840 wrote: post #328

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Your argument is that Apple exports are 3% of exports then? Did I understand correctly?

"Exports" is hiding a lot of complexity here. Some export statistics might add the entire price of an iPhone to the export figure for China because that is where the final assembly is done even though (like my previous comment shows) about half of the money from that sale ends up in the hands of Apple's investors, US-based employees of Apple and such US-based suppliers as the companies that built Apple's headquarters…

If we go away back the argument was that the US has no real exports. You've been arguing that phones are an export, but you admit those are built by other countries. It seems fair that the country that makes a phone and then exports it would be given credit for that in the statistics.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is anymore, so I'll stop here.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by pjc50 »

assbuttbuttass wrote: post #301
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #283

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Huh, makes me wonder about claims that it’s a reaction to his daughter coming out as trans. That happened publicly in 2020, according to wikipedia, but it probably came up in private beforehand. The timing is close enough that it seems likely. It’s interesting to note since I wasn’t really familiar with the timeline of his villain arc.

No one becomes transphobic when a family member comes out as trans, it's usually the opposite

? It's uncommon for trans people to still be on good terms with their family. Coming out often gets terrible reactions.
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