every developer knows safari is the new ie6 but we all just shrug and build native apps anyway because what else are you gonna do. leave 50% of your users on the table. classic embrace extend extinguish but in reverse. embrace web standards then purposely not extend them so you can extinguish competition
Is that so? I develop primarily in Safari and don't have too many complaints.
Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
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Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
#362Earlier quoted context omitted.
Monopoly effects can be cascading. Microsoft was hit with monopoly on browser even though you can install anything or go buy a Mac. But when you control a huge portion of the PC market, and you put it in by default, you are cascading your monopolistic benefits down to installed software. Apple does not have complete domination of smartphone across all demographics, but they do have domination in many segments. For ex…
Not at all comparable. Windows had 90%+ of the PC market. Mac was 2-3%. Apple has about half the phone OS market, with Android the other half.
[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide
Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
#363I don't think any big tech company has ever done anything as evil and predatory as Apple walling off iMessage, giving the impression that Apple phones were high technology, and interacting with peasant androids is what made group chats fragment and pictures and videos look like trash. Few things are more enraging than people being left out of chats with friends and family because they didn't bend over for Apple. Even…
What a ridiculous statement. Even with your edit it's still an utterly stupid conclusion to come to.
Off the top of my head I can think of way worse things tech companies have done. Cambridge Analytica scandal, Gmail scanning, the Google Shopping lawsuit, Amazon's product clone hijack, Facebooks mood manipulation experiment, Ring doorbell viewing, Uber spying, to name just a few FAR worse things tech companies have done.
Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
#364Apple can do anything it wants with its software. Just as any person decides who comes into his house, a corporation decides on what terms others can use its software.
If I buy it and fully own it, I should be able to do anything I want with it.
Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
#365Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
#366I don't think any big tech company has ever done anything as evil and predatory as Apple walling off iMessage, giving the impression that Apple phones were high technology, and interacting with peasant androids is what made group chats fragment and pictures and videos look like trash. Few things are more enraging than people being left out of chats with friends and family because they didn't bend over for Apple. Even…
Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
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> You are free to pay ~30% extra for your preferred customer experience. The rest of us can leverage discounted pricing. Customer Choice for the win! People say this stuff, but recently I re-examined my subscription to a multi-platform VPN service through the App store and found that they priced it cheaper than getting the same package through their website or through their windows client. No idea why.
You can’t just stamp a price tag on your app. Apple have price tiers and you must choose a pre-defined price tier. Edit: Not sure if up to date but for example: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/App-Store-Pricing-Update...
They charge $19.39 for the same subscription if you buy it direct. By the logic of Apple taking a 30% cut thereby pushing up the price of doing business, you'd think they could charge $12.59 to direct customers and take the same profit out.
(This is month by month subscriptions to NordVPN)
Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
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It has absolutely zero to do with your choice to purchase a different device. It has everything to do with hundreds of thousands of companies' right to do business with customers without Apple in the middle.
What right does a company have to piggyback off of another company? Like think about this logically? Should a grocery store be forced to sell my products without receiving any of the profit? Can I force a cafe to let me serve customers on their premises without giving anything in return?
Should the construction company that built the grocery store be able to take a cut off grocery profits and have a say in what the store is selling?
Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
#369I don't think any big tech company has ever done anything as evil and predatory as Apple walling off iMessage, giving the impression that Apple phones were high technology, and interacting with peasant androids is what made group chats fragment and pictures and videos look like trash. Few things are more enraging than people being left out of chats with friends and family because they didn't bend over for Apple. Even…
> - Yes, I know no one outside the US uses iMessage. Yes, people in the EU use WhatsApp, by Meta & Zuckerberg , and from what I've seen, often act as if that is some sort of mark of superiority.
Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers
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> developers would instead choose to distribute via the alternate means instead of the App Store Would they? I imagine they would distribute via all available, at different price points. At least that's what I would do. Why would I want to forgo access to customers who prefer every last detail to be handled via Apple's infrastructure? That said, if there were actually a dichotomy between "force developers to distribu…
Oh devs would absolutely avoid distributing through the App Store if they want to run any code that would fail App Store Review, such as the abuse of private low-level APIs to gather more user data than the app needs, which all businesses have a profit incentive to do. There are many other possible scenarios: devs forcing users to authenticate with unsecure methods, gather and unsecurely store credit card information…