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Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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every developer knows safari is the new ie6 but we all just shrug and build native apps anyway because what else are you gonna do. leave 50% of your users on the table. classic embrace extend extinguish but in reverse. embrace web standards then purposely not extend them so you can extinguish competition

Is that so? I develop primarily in Safari and don't have too many complaints.

I also use Safari as my main browser on the Mac. However, for YouTube and dev I go with Chrome atm.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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Monopoly effects can be cascading. Microsoft was hit with monopoly on browser even though you can install anything or go buy a Mac. But when you control a huge portion of the PC market, and you put it in by default, you are cascading your monopolistic benefits down to installed software. Apple does not have complete domination of smartphone across all demographics, but they do have domination in many segments. For ex…

Not at all comparable. Windows had 90%+ of the PC market. Mac was 2-3%. Apple has about half the phone OS market, with Android the other half.

Maybe in US (which is about 4% of world population). Worldwide, iOS is around 27% [1].

[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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I don't think any big tech company has ever done anything as evil and predatory as Apple walling off iMessage, giving the impression that Apple phones were high technology, and interacting with peasant androids is what made group chats fragment and pictures and videos look like trash. Few things are more enraging than people being left out of chats with friends and family because they didn't bend over for Apple. Even…

> I don't think any big tech company has ever done anything as evil and predatory as Apple walling off iMessage

What a ridiculous statement. Even with your edit it's still an utterly stupid conclusion to come to.

Off the top of my head I can think of way worse things tech companies have done. Cambridge Analytica scandal, Gmail scanning, the Google Shopping lawsuit, Amazon's product clone hijack, Facebooks mood manipulation experiment, Ring doorbell viewing, Uber spying, to name just a few FAR worse things tech companies have done.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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Apple can do anything it wants with its software. Just as any person decides who comes into his house, a corporation decides on what terms others can use its software.

If I buy it and fully own it, I should be able to do anything I want with it.

I totally agree and this has always been my problem with the iPad. It’s a great peace of hardware that to this day I can’t fully use for development. I have to resort to _crappy_ solutions like running a VM with code-server and SSH in order to do some work on a device perfectly capable of running stuff on its own, but walled off.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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I don't think any big tech company has ever done anything as evil and predatory as Apple walling off iMessage, giving the impression that Apple phones were high technology, and interacting with peasant androids is what made group chats fragment and pictures and videos look like trash. Few things are more enraging than people being left out of chats with friends and family because they didn't bend over for Apple. Even…

There's something uniquely dystopian about tying emotional/social exclusion to a hardware upgrade

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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> You are free to pay ~30% extra for your preferred customer experience. The rest of us can leverage discounted pricing. Customer Choice for the win! People say this stuff, but recently I re-examined my subscription to a multi-platform VPN service through the App store and found that they priced it cheaper than getting the same package through their website or through their windows client. No idea why.

You can’t just stamp a price tag on your app. Apple have price tiers and you must choose a pre-defined price tier. Edit: Not sure if up to date but for example: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/App-Store-Pricing-Update...

I mean, that's pretty flexible. At $17.99 (AUD) per month it could fit into the $1 step model, which starts at $0.99, maxing at $139.99

They charge $19.39 for the same subscription if you buy it direct. By the logic of Apple taking a 30% cut thereby pushing up the price of doing business, you'd think they could charge $12.59 to direct customers and take the same profit out.

(This is month by month subscriptions to NordVPN)

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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It has absolutely zero to do with your choice to purchase a different device. It has everything to do with hundreds of thousands of companies' right to do business with customers without Apple in the middle.

What right does a company have to piggyback off of another company? Like think about this logically? Should a grocery store be forced to sell my products without receiving any of the profit? Can I force a cafe to let me serve customers on their premises without giving anything in return?

They're not piggybacking off another company if they use alternative distribution networks.

Should the construction company that built the grocery store be able to take a cut off grocery profits and have a say in what the store is selling?

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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I don't think any big tech company has ever done anything as evil and predatory as Apple walling off iMessage, giving the impression that Apple phones were high technology, and interacting with peasant androids is what made group chats fragment and pictures and videos look like trash. Few things are more enraging than people being left out of chats with friends and family because they didn't bend over for Apple. Even…

> - Yes, I know no one outside the US uses iMessage. Yes, people in the EU use WhatsApp, by Meta & Zuckerberg , and from what I've seen, often act as if that is some sort of mark of superiority.

There's always that one Facebook mom that refuses to use anything but FB Messenger, then get's upset why nobody reads her messenges.

Re: Proton joins suit against Apple for practices that harm developers and consumers

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> developers would instead choose to distribute via the alternate means instead of the App Store Would they? I imagine they would distribute via all available, at different price points. At least that's what I would do. Why would I want to forgo access to customers who prefer every last detail to be handled via Apple's infrastructure? That said, if there were actually a dichotomy between "force developers to distribu…

Oh devs would absolutely avoid distributing through the App Store if they want to run any code that would fail App Store Review, such as the abuse of private low-level APIs to gather more user data than the app needs, which all businesses have a profit incentive to do. There are many other possible scenarios: devs forcing users to authenticate with unsecure methods, gather and unsecurely store credit card information…

Distribution via alternative stores does not mean there’s no review and moderation. Junk stores may have their fans, but competitive alternatives to App Store will inevitably introduce some controls to maintain reputation and remain compliant. Their advantage will be price, not presence of junk apps. That’s how free market with consumer protection laws works: regulation defines parameters of new equilibrium and eventually all start playing by the same rules to the benefit of the consumer.
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