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Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by thaumasiotes »

plopz wrote: post #352
thaumasiotes wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those clients could be doing a better job - when twitch starts playing an ad on the main stream, they also provide a secondary stream that shows the actual content.

i believe that secondary stream is used for picture in picture so its lower quality, like 480p or something

Maybe; I don't know anything about it. I will note that that belief could easily develop, true or not, if twitch streams start out in low resolution and increase as you buffer them.

A third-party client has room to make a dramatic improvement on the twitch experience by not dropping audio while you make the switch from the ad stream to the content stream.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by madars »

apitman wrote: post #353

> On Firefox this is easily resolvable - you can use a HTML filter to filter out the script tag from the source HTML before the page even starts being parsed. But that relies on extension APIs that Chromium doesn’t support. I'm shocked

The second Chrome drops uBlock Origin (as part of their "Manifest V3 without blocking Web Request" plan), I'm off to an alternative browser. Enough is enough.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by bitpush »

zarzavat wrote: post #359
tlogan wrote: post #239

Why do we justify blocking ads, even when we know the content we’re consuming isn’t free to create and even if the content is free, it still costs money to store and distribute? We often rationalize using ad blockers because ads can be intrusive or annoying. But let’s asking ourselves: Why do we feel entitled to get this for free? This isn’t a moral judgment. I genuinely want to understand the reasoning.

ARE YOU OVER 40 AND THE ONLY AI YOU KNOW IS CHATGPT? The burden of proof is on the ads to justify why they should be watched, given that the ads themselves provide zero value to the viewer. YouTube ads in particular are a cesspit of scams. I don't want to watch ads for things like Scientology.

Huh? You're on their website to watch videos. And it costs them money to send you those bits. And they offer two ways for you to compensate. Watch ads, or pay premium.

What is so difficult for you to understand this business relationship?

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by bitpush »

vehemenz wrote: post #307
tlogan wrote: post #239

Why do we justify blocking ads, even when we know the content we’re consuming isn’t free to create and even if the content is free, it still costs money to store and distribute? We often rationalize using ad blockers because ads can be intrusive or annoying. But let’s asking ourselves: Why do we feel entitled to get this for free? This isn’t a moral judgment. I genuinely want to understand the reasoning.

It’s my GET request. I can do what I want with it. If Google want to force ads, they can put them in the video stream. If not, then they’re trying to have it both ways.

Great analogy. Its the same reason why I grab stuff off of supermarkets and walk out. If they really cared about it, they'll invest in better technology to stop me. Suckers.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by gregoryl »

madars wrote: post #362
apitman wrote: post #353

> On Firefox this is easily resolvable - you can use a HTML filter to filter out the script tag from the source HTML before the page even starts being parsed. But that relies on extension APIs that Chromium doesn’t support. I'm shocked

The second Chrome drops uBlock Origin (as part of their "Manifest V3 without blocking Web Request" plan), I'm off to an alternative browser. Enough is enough.

Do it now? I use Firefox on all devices, it's completely fine.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by tptacek »

akersten wrote: post #209

Thank you for your important work fighting this battle, it must be exhausting. The more Google insists on forcing advertising on us, the more we should look closely at the wildly inappropriate and downright scammy ads they are hosting. If they can't leave well enough alone and look the other way on ad blocking, (which is the only way to avoid exposing myself and family to these dangerous ads), they need to be under a…

Or, you could just honor the terms you clearly understand the content is being offered under, and just not use the service.

Not as fun to write about as coercion is, though.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by eviks »

myself248 wrote: post #257
yugioh3 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stealing from creators shouldn't be celebrated.

I support a _shitpile_ of creators on Patreon and Kofi and more. I subscribe to Nebula, and I get as much as I can from the creators' own pages on those services. I'm doing my best to move my viewing off of YouTube, and move the money off of YouTube, in hopes that it eases the creators moving off of YouTube.

But you'll invariably watch from a way way bigger shitpile of creators, so without some more efficient mechanism you won't be able to spread your support properly

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by xingped »

gregoryl wrote: post #365
madars wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second Chrome drops uBlock Origin (as part of their "Manifest V3 without blocking Web Request" plan), I'm off to an alternative browser. Enough is enough.

Do it now? I use Firefox on all devices, it's completely fine.

Seconded. Been on Firefox for years and greatly prefer my experience on Firefox both on desktop and mobile (Android) compared to any other browser.

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by owebmaster »

gregoryl wrote: post #365
madars wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second Chrome drops uBlock Origin (as part of their "Manifest V3 without blocking Web Request" plan), I'm off to an alternative browser. Enough is enough.

Do it now? I use Firefox on all devices, it's completely fine.

I use PWAs a lot and Firefox dropped support

Re: YouTube's new anti-adblock measures

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Post by gessha »

tlogan wrote: post #239

Why do we justify blocking ads, even when we know the content we’re consuming isn’t free to create and even if the content is free, it still costs money to store and distribute? We often rationalize using ad blockers because ads can be intrusive or annoying. But let’s asking ourselves: Why do we feel entitled to get this for free? This isn’t a moral judgment. I genuinely want to understand the reasoning.

Back when I listened to Spotify Premium, they would mess around with the shuffle or add a “smart” shuffle to the UI that you can’t opt out of. They would try to insert songs to my playlists where they don’t belong. Gtfo let me listen to my music.

I listen to Spotify Freemium. There’s a special ad that says: “Enjoy the next 30 minutes of ad-free listening”. 2 minutes later I get 2-3 ads back to back.

Enough. Happy Jellyfin user. I’ll buy up my music gradually.

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