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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by swdev281634 »

badc0ffee wrote: post #325
antihero wrote: post #274

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It's amazing. Absolutely insane that people are incarcerated so long for non-violent drug crimes, though. Turso also looks really neat for small Payload sites.

"Non-violent drug crimes" brings to mind hippies selling weed or mushrooms. But this guy was selling carfentanil. I'm not saying he's to blame for the opioid crisis turning street people into shambling zombies, clogging emergency services with overdoses, and causing death, but he certainly played a part.

> But this guy was selling carfentanil

Do you have a source? It seems that guy was selling MDMA and marijuana. Here's the relevant quote from https://pthorpe92.dev/intro/my-story/

I was caught with MDMA coming in the mail from Vancouver, and some marijuana coming from california (the latter of which is what I am currently serving my time for right now)

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ty6853 »

tptacek wrote: post #347
ty6853 wrote: post #343

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I don't see it as a binary option. Why can't we learn from one another? I'm more interested in some of the elements found in for instance that system, where the victim can elect to prioritize restitution over retribution when it leads to a higher likelihood they will be made whole. I don't see any requirement that one has to embrace everything about a societies' system to find advantages in elements of it.

Well, I'll just say, when I referred earlier to institutionalized systems wherein victims are given principal roles in meting out justice, I was specifically using that word to contrast with things like xeer clan law --- a system you just implied might be superior to our common law system (it is not). There are "modern" legal systems descended from that kind of oral tradition honor law. You would not want to live und…

I'll be honest, I have not seen a single implemented legal system I would like to live under, although that's not to dismiss all systems as equally bad. I was imprisoned in the USA once because an officer claimed a dog alerted, resulted in being stripped naked and cavity searched -- but that doesn't mean the entirety of our justice system is bad. Which isn't implied to be as bad as, say, a rapist getting away with it via a forced marriage as might happen under Shariah or xeer law.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by jamesblonde »

Aurornis wrote: post #250
jamesblonde wrote: post #244

The scary thing is that Maine is considered progressive for prison. My former (brilliant) student developed schizophrenia and tried to rob a bank with a gun because the voices told him to do it. He got 10 years in jail. I think every EU country would treat him for his condition until he was safe to rejoin society. In the US, he was thrown in the slammer. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irishman-jailed-for-10-years...

> I think every EU country would treat him for his condition until he was safe to rejoin society. In the US, he was thrown in the slammer. From the article, his parents express frustration at their inability to get him committed for treatment in Ireland. They cite the lack of response there as a key factor in his spiral. Also, the US facility he was sent to did offer psychiatric treatment and the judge urged him to a…

Why do you call it a facility?

Do i need to explain the difference between treatment at a pyschiatric center vs the offer of psychiatric treatment in a prison?

If you think they are somehow equivalent, you are very much mistaken.

You are putting somebody with pyschiatric illness in with hardened criminals. Do they welcome him with open arms?

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by nickff »

OvidNaso wrote: post #341
ahahs wrote: post #334

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Say that to the people he killed selling those drugs. This isn't weed, it's highly lethal pills.

If he killed anyone he should be charged with murder or manslaughter.

Many dealers and addicts who are involved in extremely violent crimes are plead down to drug crimes after having been charged with both drug and violent crimes.

https://www.courts.nh.gov/sites/g/files/ehbemt471/files/docu...

>"On December 24, 2016, three Manchester police officers responded to an apartment following a report of a domestic dispute. The report was made by the mother of Ashley Arbogast, who advised that her daughter had called her Stating that her boyfriend had broken her arm during an argument."

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by e40 »

cortesoft wrote: post #342
badc0ffee wrote: post #325

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"Non-violent drug crimes" brings to mind hippies selling weed or mushrooms. But this guy was selling carfentanil. I'm not saying he's to blame for the opioid crisis turning street people into shambling zombies, clogging emergency services with overdoses, and causing death, but he certainly played a part.

He played a lot smaller part than the Sackler family, who ran Purdue Pharma and pushed their drugs into communities. They killed a lot more people than this guy, and yet none of them are in jail.

Whataboutism. Selling the drug he was peddling kills people. Lots of people. This is not a “no victims” crime.

EDIT: another commentor found that it was MDMA and weed, so this discussion is purely theoretical and doesn’t apply to OP.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by charcircuit »

cycomanic wrote: post #357
ponector wrote: post #340

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And you take personal responsibility if someone innocent is convicted? Once you have executed someone there is no coming back. Or are you saying you're OK with some innocents being killed so you can save some money (taxes)?

>Once you have executed someone there is no coming back.

Once you've taken 10 years of someone's life there is no giving that back either. As technology progresses the cost of recording evidence will go down which will help convict and prove the innocence of people.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by keybored »

999900000999 wrote: post #142
glommer wrote: post #30

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I am the Turso CEO. We pay him a full salary, just not health care benefits.

Your doing the Lord's work. Even if you just paid him the state minimum wage, it would stop him from having a giant employment gap. The next step would be background check reform. A DUI record isn't relevant to anything not involving driving. Excluding a very small handful of SVU level crimes everything should be wiped clean after 5 years or so. I had an experience with a co worker who would brag about robbing people…

> Your doing the Lord's work.

Excellent marketing. They get a remote worker who is (in HN headhunter speak) a great and passionate talent. Of course they have no risks on their side. And they get praised for it on the very grassroots YC Combinator forum.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by dfxm12 »

franga2000 wrote: post #317
conductr wrote: post #268

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I disagree. The cut should support the program itself and then further offset taxpayer expenses related to housing, feeding, and caring for the prisoner. I could even see a case for taking it as a way of ensuring it was saved and returned at release.

Fuck no! Lowering the cost of keeping people in prison would make it even easier for the government to lock people up for smaller crimes and with bigger sentences. It's even worse with the privatised prison system that the US has. They already know the "market price" (what the government is willing to spend) so adding "free money" into the equation just makes it easier for them to raise prices and end up pocketing ev…

It's even worse with the privatised prison system that the US has.

This is a state by state thing. FWIW in this case, ME doesn't have private prisons. I don't bring this up to imply everything related to their cut is on the up and up, however, I believe Maine is very much incentivized to make this a useful program in terms of keeping people from returning to jail (as opposed to squeezing every dollar from the prisoners).

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by BobaFloutist »

nickff wrote: post #364
OvidNaso wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he killed anyone he should be charged with murder or manslaughter.

Many dealers and addicts who are involved in extremely violent crimes are plead down to drug crimes after having been charged with both drug and violent crimes. https://www.courts.nh.gov/sites/g/files/ehbemt471/files/docu... > "On December 24, 2016, three Manchester police officers responded to an apartment following a report of a domestic dispute. The report was made by the mother of Ashley Arbogast, who advised tha…

Ok, but we should punish people for the crimes they're convicted of, not the crimes we've decided for ourselves they committed.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by keybored »

jamesblonde wrote: post #244

The scary thing is that Maine is considered progressive for prison. My former (brilliant) student developed schizophrenia and tried to rob a bank with a gun because the voices told him to do it. He got 10 years in jail. I think every EU country would treat him for his condition until he was safe to rejoin society. In the US, he was thrown in the slammer. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irishman-jailed-for-10-years...

> My former (brilliant) student developed schizophrenia and tried to rob a bank with a gun because the voices told him to do it. He got 10 years in jail. I think every EU country would treat him for his condition until he was safe to rejoin society. In the US, he was thrown in the slammer.

Is the story supposed to be more sympathetic because he was (brilliant)?

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