Oh Wow, I wonder if this experiment would yield similar results outside San Francisco, hmmm?
Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway
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There's a larger Ioniq 9. But the real future is probably a 2-seater with no steering wheel. That handles most usage.
That's really interesting because I hadn't actually thought about that in-depth before. I think Tesla's robotaxi prototype was even a 2-seater. My knee-jerk reaction to your comment was "no, 2 seater won't happen because the incremental cost of the additional seats and doors is immaterial to the overall cost of the car." But then thinking more about it I thought of how great we (all the people who like Waymo) think i…
Bike share programs already exist and are pretty popular in NYC. Self driving doesn't really seem necessary at that scale.
Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway
#363The last time I got an Uber, it was driven by a young fellow who looked to be in his first year of driving (I could be wrong), the car smelled like mothballs and was obviously in poor shape, and he accidentally drove on the wrong side of a divided road for a block or so (he was apologetic). The last time I tried a regular taxi stand, the car looked even worse, and it broke down. So, we called Lyft, and the driver cou…
I've been in more than one Uber that smelled like the driver just smoked weed.
I've had this happen many times. One time, I got into an Uber and it smelled like there were 100 kilos of cocaine in the trunk. Not joke, the car reeked of coke.
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$3 isn't this kind of a small problem? I miss rideshare service, in Denmark we have mess of expensive high quality taxis that you cannot get hold of when you need one.
> $3 isn't this kind of a small problem? You're right -- it's surprising Lyft wouldn't just give back $3 (such a small amount!) to keep a customer.
this is so rampant but they know they have a captive market (in many places, only uber or lyft are an option) so they abuse their position
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I've been picked up multiple times by Uber drivers who have, essentially, bragged? about being drunk or high. I've also had multiple drivers in multiple countries try to sell me drugs. I also once had a driver in Chile who, somehow, micro-slept in stop and go traffic every time the car was stopped (which, was actually fascinating, and would've been very concerning if we ever got going more than like 10 mph). Women al…
On the upside, I've had Uber drivers in multiple countries help me buy drugs. Waymo hasn't hooked me up even once.
It could be good business for AI cars to start doing this too. You can't put an algorithm in prison, and the programmers can just say its a black box and nobody could possibly understand how it trained itself to do it. The company makes money off the extra rides, while having plausible deniability because maybe the customer just wanted a ride. IANAL.
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Can I ask why you hate calling? I also know you’re not alone— many people I know are the same but I can’t seem to get a reasonable answer to why that doesn’t seem to boil down to social anxiety.
I'm not who you asked, but social anxiety seems like a good reason to have this preference. I also dislike ordering food by phone for practical reasons. Call quality might be bad, person's accent might be hard for me to understand, I might be hard for them to understand, the chance an error will go unnoticed even if they read back the order is higher than a website where I can read it myself, and in many cases I have…
Its an understandable reason but I don’t think I agree its good. One should not have significant social anxiety around simply talking to someone over the phone. I can’t wrap my head around why this is okay.
But I have to admit it is a thing that is actively happening and that “phone culture” such as it was, is dying or already dead.
I feel like I have strayed far from the topic, but honestly if this is what smartphones have wrought, we should stop using them. (Sent from my iPhone of course)
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We're far from them doing it, but I have to imagine at some point Waymo, assuming they survive, will operate similar to Uber and Lyft in terms of pricing vs vehicle type. They have to realize how critical consistency-of-ride is so I'm not suggesting they'll have tons of options, but they will "have to" tier their offering lest someone else comes along (assuming the tech becomes more widespread) and offers a tier they…
There's a larger Ioniq 9. But the real future is probably a 2-seater with no steering wheel. That handles most usage.
I figure the real future will be 2-3x 2-seater separate soundproof bubble domes per car.
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Charges for goods not delivered as agreed falls under the protection of the Fair Credit Billing Act. If you made a good faith attempt to resolve with the merchant (which you did) you should use your credit card to charge back the amount (some let you request a partial charge back, but if not you can request a full one and explain in the extra info that you want a partial one). This might not seem worth it for $3, but…
> you should use your credit card to charge back the amount Don't you end up getting a new credit card number and have to deal with updating your details everywhere after doing this? > This might not seem worth it for $3 It seems it's also painful and seemingly not worth it by design. Whenever they can make the process so painful that going through it essentially pays way less than your wage they can get away with it…
I’ve never had to get a new card/number after a chargeback.
You just get the charge removed or some amount deducted if it’s approved. You aren’t requesting a new card.
edit: This was for a purchase I made but didn’t receive exactly what I paid for. Now for fraudulent charges I didn’t make, yes they send a new card. I’m in the US, maybe it’s different elsewhere.
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When I take a booked private car back and forth to the airport (about an hour) I don't really have an issue. Sometimes the driver is chattier. Sometimes I'm chattier. Probably (likely) more expensive than an Uber would be but 100% reliable even at zero-dark-thirty times. Never had a real issue of any sort.
Uber Black provides a similar experience, or at least it used to (haven't used it in many years). I think it's a matter of having professional drivers, where there's an expectation that their customer/client isn't there to socialize, and their job is to drive, and that's it. It's more of a "high class" thing, for lack of a better term. (IIRC when Uber first started, before UberX, their driver pool was essentially jus…
Shared van services got ridiculous sometimes and then I had a couple of incidents related to driving/parking at the airport (like a 10pm cold weather flat). So I just started using a car service at a new job (I think) and the company never flinched. Now--especially as I'm usually taking longer but fewer air trips even if it's usually on my own nickel these days--just keep doing so.