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Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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edanm wrote: post #352
LAC-Tech wrote: post #334

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> A lot of nationalist consider a lot of other races undesirable. The Israeli mainstream right is fairly open about their attitudes to gentiles, whether arab muslim, arab christians, or the disposable lives of US servicemen they wish to fight wars on their behalf. That's not true and kind of outrageous - you're basically saying "the majority of Israelis are racist". The Israeli mainstream right has a lot of views I d…

Israeli officials don't even try to hide their racism towards Arabs. They are unquestionably motivated by racism, and will happily tell you so themselves.

Obviously not all Israelis are right wing racists but the ones running the government absolutely are.

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Post by queenkjuul »

kypro wrote: post #218
eikenberry wrote: post #110

Didn't have time to make it through the entire (long winded) article, but is it wrong to boil down his thinking to the simple idea that a benevolent, competent dictator is the best form of government? I ask as this seems like a very simplistic and obvious idea. The problem isn't that this is necessarily incorrect, it is how do you find this mythical figurehead? History has shown that we have never discovered a system…

I'm not an expert on Yarvin's ideas, but have read enough of his stuff to suspect you're not quite representing his position accurately. In his opinion democracy is flawed in the same way a business owned by all its employees wouldn't have the right incentives to succeed, or how a plane piloted by the collective wisdom of it's passengers likely wouldn't make it very far beyond the runway. I think his idea is that you…

I love that Yarvin happily ignores all the successful businesses that are in fact owned by their employees

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Post by edanm »

queenkjuul wrote: post #361
edanm wrote: post #352

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> A lot of nationalist consider a lot of other races undesirable. The Israeli mainstream right is fairly open about their attitudes to gentiles, whether arab muslim, arab christians, or the disposable lives of US servicemen they wish to fight wars on their behalf. That's not true and kind of outrageous - you're basically saying "the majority of Israelis are racist". The Israeli mainstream right has a lot of views I d…

Israeli officials don't even try to hide their racism towards Arabs. They are unquestionably motivated by racism, and will happily tell you so themselves. Obviously not all Israelis are right wing racists but the ones running the government absolutely are.

There are some Israeli officials who are extremists and talk that way, but they represent a right-wing extreme bloc of Israeli voters. These officials have a lot of power and influence right now for a variety of reasons.

But this is by no means true of the majority of Israeli officials, nor of the public.

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Post by queenkjuul »

soulofmischief wrote: post #45
runako wrote: post #25

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> society is beginning to burn through its seed corn This is mostly true in the US, where a defining characteristic of the population is a belief that we cannot do better or have more, that things will always continue to get worse, and that everyone is out to take advantage of you all the time. Other countries continue to invest in the future. China, among others, do not suffer the current American fatalism.

China's population is purportedly set to halve by 2100. They're well on their way to a massive population shock if they don't thread the needle carefully. There's also been lots of stories about bank closures and Chinese citizens losing their money. Additionally, China, like the US and many other world powers, is a totalitarian authoritarian government which is hostile towards its people. Whether China has high-speed…

Yes the ever impending Chinese financial collapse I've been reading about since 2017

Any day now, right?

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retube wrote: post #246
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #18

I mentioned this previously, but I frequently think back to Gibson's "Jackpot" -- a cross-lashed, polycausal catastrophe: Lots of bad little things accumulating, building up a certain momentum. I think that even as far back as 2009, an astute observer would have noticed that society is beginning to burn through its seed corn. In some places, things are now getting extremely acute: https://www.neilobrien.co.uk/p/the-c…

There's some startling and alarming statistics in that obrien piece. Is this guy legit? or a swivel-eyed loon of the farage ilk

Definitely the latter

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Post by queenkjuul »

wyager wrote: post #20
senkora wrote: post #5

Scott Alexander also recently had a take on Curtis Yarvin’s recent actions: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/moldbug-sold-out The gist of it is that he had interesting ideas on political systems in the past, but that his current ideas are nonsense, and in fact his old work explains exactly why his new work is nonsense.

Ironically, the quality of Scott's work has taken a markedly sharper nosedive in the last decade than the quality of Yarvin's work.

Hard to nose dive from rock bottom

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

frm88 wrote: post #359
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #301

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Yet throughout history monarchies have been, by and large, more stable than democracies. There are well-attested dynasties that have lasted for many centuries -- the Zhou, Abbasid, and Rurikid dynasties were all in power for >700 years! The Abbasid dynasty was at last conquered by the Ottomans -- themselves a >600-year dynasty. Is there a democracy worthy of the name that has ever lasted >300 years? "Certainly more s…

"Is there a democracy worthy of the name that has ever lasted >300 years" For varying degrees of democracy: Athens: ~ 510-310 BC (yes yes 200) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy Rome: ~ 509 - 027 BC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic Venice: 697-1797 AD https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Venice to name the most commonly known.

I don't think that anybody seriously considers the republic of Rome a democracy.

Also Athenian and Venetian "democracy" were so wildly different from the current model that it's really not at all the same thing. Hewing more closely to the Athenian model could solve many of the world's problems, but today's oligarchical (at best!) "representatives," having attained power, will not willingly relinquish it.

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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edanm wrote: post #363
queenkjuul wrote: post #361

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Israeli officials don't even try to hide their racism towards Arabs. They are unquestionably motivated by racism, and will happily tell you so themselves. Obviously not all Israelis are right wing racists but the ones running the government absolutely are.

There are some Israeli officials who are extremists and talk that way, but they represent a right-wing extreme bloc of Israeli voters. These officials have a lot of power and influence right now for a variety of reasons. But this is by no means true of the majority of Israeli officials, nor of the public.

I'm sorry but the majority party in the Israeli government is unquestionably motivated by racism. I don't really care about the specific number of Israeli officials nationwide and their relative levels of personal racist views. The Israeli government is unabashedly engaged in a racially motivated genocide, and the officials carrying it out are in no way apologetic about their motivations.

I never said anything about the majority of the Israeli public, thanks for noticing.

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Post by drcongo »

edanm wrote: post #352
LAC-Tech wrote: post #334

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> A lot of nationalist consider a lot of other races undesirable. The Israeli mainstream right is fairly open about their attitudes to gentiles, whether arab muslim, arab christians, or the disposable lives of US servicemen they wish to fight wars on their behalf. That's not true and kind of outrageous - you're basically saying "the majority of Israelis are racist". The Israeli mainstream right has a lot of views I d…

Yes, it's outrageous to suggest it's a majority of Israelis, when polling tells us that only 47% of Israeli nationals want to kill every single man, woman, and child in Gaza. That's nowhere near a majority. Mind you, 82% of full citizens of Israel want to expel Palestinians from Gaza. That's a majority. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...

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Post by kragen »

Hikikomori wrote: post #265
animal_spirits wrote: post #146

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Yarvin stated in an interview that he barely knows Vance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcSil8NeQq8&ab_channel=TheIn...

And Trump said he knew nothing about project 2025 before the election. Yarvin has been close to Thiel for many years, is his advisor in some capacity, has invested in Yarvins companies, likely even friends. Vance worked for Thiel and his political career was bankrolled by Thiel. And you believe they barely know each other?

Thousands of people work for Thiel that closely. Most of them don't know each other at all.
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