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The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by freedomben »

baobun wrote: post #336
freedomben wrote: post #329

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What if you were a Christian, and you knew that the random person being killed was a rock solid Christian who would die painlessly and without even knowing it, and would go immediately into the bosom of Christ? In that scenario pushing the button seems like the right thing to do. If you don't, that person might lose their faith later and end up in hell, and it would be your fault. What is the worth of a soul? My unde…

> If you don't, that person might lose their faith later and end up in hell, and it would be your fault Have you read the Bible? Jesus would disagree with this take very hard. Or do you have any support for this moral argument from any of the apostles?

Yes I've read the Bible cover to cover multiple times (although admittedly on the second and third time through I did skim a bit of the last 1/3 of the OT rather than reading it for diligent comprehension), and have taken a number of different courses on it. I've read the New Testament at least a dozen times through, plus many years of Sunday School looking at different books/passages.

> Jesus would disagree with this take very hard.

Citation needed for that. This is something hotly debated among all sorts of Christians so I don't claim to have a solid answer, but perseonally I think the Bible is repeatedly pretty clear that you can lose it[1].

I used to be a strong believer, but no longer am. Out of curiosity, do you think I'm going to Hell or am I still all set for (eternal) life because of my past faith?

[1]: https://www.biblestudyguide.org/articles/salvation/salvation...

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by imchillyb »

wat10000 wrote: post #90
ivape wrote: post #47

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Keep in mind true believers often learn to live with a massive cognitive dissonance This is quite true. Taking away just the moral teachings is not true belief. Revelations is serious business stuff, the apostles watched Christ ascend from Mount Olive, it’s extremely trippy things. True believers are literally believing in wild shit. In fact, if you are true believer, you almost need to keep it hidden because it’s go…

There’s “science doesn’t adequately explain the origins of the universe,” and then there’s “this particular middle eastern tribe had the right answers thousands of years ago.” I can see the former but the latter makes no sense.

How did Israel get the order of operations correct, without science, if no one told them this story?

Israel’s creation story gets every step in the right order.

How?

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by _--__--__ »

mrguyorama wrote: post #319
wavemode wrote: post #275

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Have you ever even read the passage? > 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” > 26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, “Who then can be saved?” > 27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”

This sure doesn't look like ancient Hebrew to me.

Well yeah, the gospels were written in Koine Greek

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Post by wubrr »

blendergeek wrote: post #21

This article fails to address that most true believers would not see any point to betting on the yes. If Christ returns this year, the world is done and there is no upside to having bet that he would. Temporal things (like prediction markets) will cease to be interesting when Christ returns. Given that, I highly doubt that the people betting yes actually believe that Christ will return this year.

It could also be a way of showing just how much they believe - 'Jesus will return in X years and I'm willing to bet all I have on it!'

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Post by nitwit005 »

lurk2 wrote: post #197
kelseyfrog wrote: post #84

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Could God make a man so rich that even he wouldn't let him into heaven?

No. Similarly, God cannot make a married bachelor, because this is nonsensical. The conversation then turns to questions about how we define God’s omnipotence: Doesn’t the existence of any sort of limitation placed upon God imply he is bound by higher principles and thus not omnipotent? Possibly; but this may just be a lack of imagination on our part. For example, can God abanlqhgfznsjks? Probably not, because that p…

The bible portrays God as explicitly being able to do nonsensical things, like creating a burning bush that is somehow not consumed. That it was on fire, but also not on fire, at the same time, was proof of a miracle.

And more generally, that's just the nature of the supernatural in any religion. If what was going on was entirely logical, it wouldn't be a miracle.

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Post by smithkl42 »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #303
water-data-dude wrote: post #135

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I feel like some of the angels would probably be able to calculate very large primes easily. I’m not an angeloligist, but maybe the ones that are wheels all covered in eyes.

Angelic intellects exist in the aevum. They are incorporal. They have no need to engage in discursive reasoning like we do, no need to calculate.

Maybe kinda analogous to the difference between declarative and imperative languages. They (supposedly) don't do step-by-step reasoning to get at the truth, they just "see" it. Like the old story about Bhaskara's proof of the Pythagorean Theorem being, just, "Behold."

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Post by ivape »

wat10000 wrote: post #341
CyrsBel wrote: post #313

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Who said he ignored the rest of humanity? That's not what the record shows. Most people know about God. Who said that in all the universe he chose just earth? You're assuming too much about the motivations. I do not see what the issue is with a "very human scale" for messaging. That's...how you communicate with humans.

“ That's...how you communicate with humans.” Right. Why would the omnipotent creator of the universe communicate the same way I do?

Why do we sometimes bend down to look at a dog or child? To look them in the eye, at their level.
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