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Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by voxic11 »

acheron wrote: post #290
steveBK123 wrote: post #172

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Remember US has no National ID card. America has 50 states, each state has its own ID and DMV. Plenty of Americans move states, remember some of our states are reasonably small enough that you might commute to the same NYC job from any of 4 different states. I have a friend who sequentially moved NY->NJ->CT->NY in something like 6 years. Also I forget why but when I moved WITHIN a state 10 years ago, it required a DM…

Real ID requirements started 20 years ago, which I suppose is “recent” in government terms, but not really. In some states everyone has already had a Real ID compliant license for years. In others, notably California, they’ve been kicking the can down the road the entire time.

Real ID hasn't been required at all. I still don't have one and I just got a new license last year.

Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by hkon »

atoav wrote: post #358
hkon wrote: post #259

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If you are helping, why would they be assholes?

Never worked in customer support huh? Sometimes the first thing you ever hear from a person is them cursing at you. Some people don't even greet you and act downright uncivilized, yelling, aggressive, assuming you not magically only know their problem without them telling you, no you also somehow caused it, on purpose, because you're evil. They haven't even given you a passing chance of helping them. As someone who g…

I see, but this is unfortunately the rational behavior in many cases, as being nice will get you a sorry and a goodbye.

I have worked in places where customers expected some kind of service provided and the nastier behavior got rewarded the most.

While for some this behavior come naturally, I think there is also an element of conditioning to this behavior.

Also, people are not calling because evertyhing is great. Some level of frustration and anger must be expected in such a job. But my impressions is most companies don't train their workers to handle such scenarios.

Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by tough »

whstl wrote: post #306
lolinder wrote: post #276

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You've clearly never worked customer support. A very disproportionate number of people who call in to customer support are totally and utterly unreasonable. That's why it's such a pain to interact with customer support as a reasonable human: The systems aren't designed for you, they're designed for the abusers who represent something like 20% of the phone calls and 80% of the work.

From my side it feels like customer support systems are designed purely to trap customers in the system so they are unable to cancel. In my last day in South America I spent about two hours cancelling my cable and even though I was very soft spoken and super patient (I was playing Mario Kart on mute so not really uncomfortable), but the customer support person actually CRIED to me because she would “miss her quota” i…

Seems to me the problem here is how the company mistreats their employees and customers yea

America's paid by superPAC donor's laws seem to permit this, sadly

Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by asdf6969 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #224
yusina wrote: post #221

The squirrel example sounds terrible, but people don't realize the danger that moving pathogen-carrying specimen across ecosystems poses. Introducing a disease into your local environment can have devastating consquences for wildlife or farming or both. Example: Dairy farms have strict rules about not letting anybody in who was abroad within the last 48 hours because of possible spread of foot-and-mouth disease. Ther…

The acute guilt levied wasn't about following orders and exterminating the ground squirrels... ... but using an industrial shredder to do it. (on 440 of them) For reference, this is an industrial shredder: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/I15kCJyl6po Anyone who did that to a live animal deserves to be in prison, orders or no. There are innumerable compassionate, humane ways to kill animals, if it's necessary.

Are you vegan? Your food goes through much worse before it reaches the grocery store.

Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by asdf6969 »

crazygringo wrote: post #225
oleggromov wrote: post #37

I once booked a plane ticket from my home town airport to another country. The purchase notification said something like "PVA" instead of "POV". I looked it up and turned out, the newly built airport that had this exact code was about to open. In a week or so, so I assumed that I'm indeed flying from the new one and forgot about it. The purchase was made through a booking aggregator similar to Expedia. On the day of…

> So I thought that the problem could be solved by just arriving there by any other flight, which I booked almost immediately. Why did you do that? Especially when that cost you extra money? You should have talked to the airline directly, explained you'd missed your flight because they gave you the wrong airport, and the airline would have rebooked you and everything would have been fine. People miss flights all the…

> explained you'd missed your flight because they gave you the wrong airport, and the airline would have rebooked you and everything would have been fine

Do you really believe this? There are a lot of bad airlines. Enough that a terrible airline is often the best option.

This usually just leads to getting dicked around for so long until you need to just do the original plan anyways. It only works if you have infinite time. Ideally he could just book a new flight and send them the bill

Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by asdf6969 »

scotty79 wrote: post #316
barrucadu wrote: post #265

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> Meat isn't tasty. If it was you wouldn't always eat it fried almost to a char with salt and spices. Allow me to introduce you to the concept of "steak".

Buy your steak, toss in a pot of unsalted water. Cook for a while to make it edible. Eat it when hungry. Tell me again how tasty the meat is. Do the same with rice, potatoes or lentils and you'll have completely different experience. Pick any fruit. There's even no need to boil. Tasty from the get go.

Are you seriously trying to argue that food doesn’t actually taste good if it has to be cooked first?

Throw steak in a hot pan. It tastes great with no other seasonings. Tasty from the get go. Throw rice in a hot pan. It tastes awful.

Therefore, rice is not tasty.

Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by asdf6969 »

MaxikCZ wrote: post #356
einpoklum wrote: post #84

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> The gate keeper has no say into who gets let on the plane and who doesn't, they are there just to enforce the decision. No, that's not true. He is literally, physically, the gate keeper: To pass the gate, he has to let you pass. Now, you could insert another gate keeper into the scenario at the entrance to the airplane, or some turn-style with a scanner etc. but that wouldn't change the basic argument, just make th…

But they are not making the decision whether you are allowed to board or not, they are just there to enforce it. You can't talk your way on a plane with them no matter what you say if your scanned boarding pass lights up red instead of green. They don't have any authority to make decisions.

They do ultimately make the decision. I do things Im not allowed to do almost every day at work. They might have to deal with the consequences but it really is their decision

Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by asdf6969 »

immibis wrote: post #4

It's interesting we always talked about the Holocaust and the Nuremberg trials when talking about accountability, as if similar atrocities aren't currently happening. It's because breaking an accountability sink of people who are long dead doesn't have any impact other than the explanation itself. Breaking an accountability sink of currently living people and currently active wars is much more dangerous.

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Re: Accountability Sinks

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Post by steveBK123 »

voxic11 wrote: post #361
acheron wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real ID requirements started 20 years ago, which I suppose is “recent” in government terms, but not really. In some states everyone has already had a Real ID compliant license for years. In others, notably California, they’ve been kicking the can down the road the entire time.

Real ID hasn't been required at all. I still don't have one and I just got a new license last year.

OK have you watched the news at all lately?

https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2025/04/24/new-york-...

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