I noticed this feature by mistake. I managed to drag a tab when I tried to switch to it and it turned blue and I got very confused and thought it must be something to do with container tabs. Then I tried dragging another one and couldn't manage to do it again. Maybe like every ten times I try dragging a tab it turns a different color. I don't understand what the difference is in my mouse movement.
Firefox tab groups are here
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#362I never have more than like 10 tabs open at a time, so likely wont be helpful to me, but I find this super interesting! Can someone explain what normal people use so many tabs for? It seems to be super common to have tons and tons open. Are people using tabs as a soft bookmark of basically anything interesting? Afraid to close the page because they wont find it in their history or bookmarks? Is this more an issue wit…
I'm not consistent about going back and closing tabs. By the time I've browsed on a couple topics, I have enough tabs open I can't see the titles any more, and it's downhill from there. Some of them, I think "this is good, I'll come back to this when I get a chance" so I don't want to mass-close them. Eventually I'm opening new tabs of tabs I already have open, because it's faster than finding the original. Every now…
I liked the term tab bankruptcy. I'm using tab stash[1] to stash them aside with a timestamp (or a descriptive name if you want to). So, it does not clutter my bookmarks.
Then, I can search or clear the list, or bring back from the stash whenever I want.
[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/
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How does it compare to sidebery? I use the vertical tabs on that and quite like it but only found them because of another feature, per container socks5 (one for local ip and a few to strategically placed cheap vps to override my network default mullvad vpn tunneling as needed)
Sideberry is still better since it's hierarchical, so tabs are nested. But maybe the tab groups change that? Now or in a future iteration?
Yeah vertical tabs with tab groups have replaced Sidebery's hierarchy and panels for me. Mostly because it feels slightly smoother and more performant as a built-in feature.
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FWIW, that was also my experience when Edge added this feature. It was particularly annoying as I did not ever want to use the feature. I guess Firefox wanted to be bug-for-bug compatible? :(
In about:config, try looking for browser.tabs.dragDrop. The createGroup... and moveOverThresholdPercent flags control the group creation behavior during drag and drop. If anyone finds values that make it less likely to accidentally create groups while still allowing intentional grouping via drag and drop, I can channel these back to the team.
I'm guessing your telemetry will tell you a lot of users have started using tab groups. They may have done so by mistake. My tabs each take up like half an inch of the screen and I don't have a gaming mouse; I now have multiple tab groups which I never intended making. As this is a quite technical feature, maybe dragging should be off by default, or only when e.g. holding shift and dragging or something?
(Yes it's a beautiful feature and probably lots of people want it, just noting that the dragging is confusing. I can't think of a good way to solve the problem that doesn't make it slightly more difficult/nerdy to use.)
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> I have almost 2000 tabs open. I use sideberry for tab management. I'm just here to report that Firefox + Sidebery continues to work perfectly well at 14571 "open" tabs. All but a few hundred are unloaded, and I block JavaScript fairly aggressively. Currently measuring 1992 MB, explicitly allocated. I won't argue with anyone who tells me that I have a problem, but I will say that Firefox and Sidebery make my problem…
This sort of thing sounds like a fantastic use of Firefox's bookmarks system.
I bookmark pages I want to keep on hand forever. I don't expect to ever delete them. I wouldn't bookmark product reviews that I'm just juggling while deciding on a purchase, even if I have to put off that purchase on the backburner for a week to deal with the rest of my life.
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#366I started reconsidering Edge literally last week because Panorama View managed to lose my groups again, and Edge has excellent workspaces (envy). Haven't tried the new groups yet, but from the video it is unclear what to do if I don't want them to constantly stay visible in the tab bar. The whole point for me is decluttering it from something I don't need at the moment.
If you click the little < left-scroll arrow on the left of your tab bar a few hundred times you'll eventually get to the start of your tab group. Then there will be a box [ ] that you can click. That will toggle visibility of the tab group, so all the tabs in it will be hidden. Click the box again to expand the group.
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
This sort of thing sounds like a fantastic use of Firefox's bookmarks system.
I bookmark pages I want to keep on hand forever. I don't expect to ever delete them. I wouldn't bookmark product reviews that I'm just juggling while deciding on a purchase, even if I have to put off that purchase on the backburner for a week to deal with the rest of my life.
I personaly create a 'temp' bookmark folder for things like this. An advantage is that it then syncs to all my Firefox instances.
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It's so much better than any of the extension-based XUL interface hacks. As soon as they can figure out when to auto-expand the sidebar it will be perfect.
Firefox moved away from XUL extensions years ago - they now use a well-defined WebExtension model that is kind of the opposite of hacky.
And yet, many of the extensions that in the XUL days could cleanly change the browser's UI now have a much more hacky user experience.
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#369Already using Tree Style Tabs. It's the one critical plugin I need. I still don't understand how anyone works without it.
It is particularly bizarre to me that the tab bar is horizontal on browsers. We switched to wide screen monitors close to 20 years ago, then stubbornly continued to waste vertical real estate for UI elements. Then webpages all went hard on mobile oriented designs and literally throw away the extra horizontal space by forcing portrait layouts. Yet we still use horizontal bars that make it hard to display tab titles an…
Firefox has supported vertical tabs for the last year or so.
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#370Wow, this is a fantastic feature that was heavily requested, and HN cannot stop being negative. Great job Mozilla. I was already using the awesome “Simple Tab Groups” extension for this but will look into switching.
odd. There's one nitpick I have where you can't move a tab group (you gotta move other tabs around it), but it otherwise is everything I wanted. It even "just works" with no issue alongside tab containers, letting you mix in groups from different containers into one group.