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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by nailer »

dns_snek wrote: post #353
nailer wrote: post #348

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Trying to equate any random hand gesture that just happens to have their arm extended at some point isn't fooling anyone, but it's a strong signal for your true feelings on the matter so I appreciate the time-saving part of it.

> Trying to equate any random hand gesture that just happens to have their arm extended at some point isn't fooling anyone

Yes, exactly. You understand the bald faced lie of the people trying to pretend they think Elon Musk is a Nazi.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by nailer »

ModernMech wrote: post #358
nailer wrote: post #348

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> Of course I do. What I had said was "shows the same thing as the link I provided". In the link is a video of a neo nazi group doing a Nazi salute, which consists of two strokes: 1) hand on heart 2) thrust hand outward from body Which is exactly the 1-2 gesture that Musk makes. Juxtaposing the neo Nazi group and Musk doing the salute at the same time makes clear just how similar they are. As for your proof, what you…

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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

nailer wrote: post #329
dns_snek wrote: post #326

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Let's assume they were planning to create concentration camps, do you naively expect them to publicly admit that in plain language or how do you think that would look? Even the Nazis didn't have the political capital to plainly admit to their own atrocities. They tried to keep it secret for as long as they could, then they denied the camps' existence, denied the abuse in those camps, denied the genocide, falsified me…

> Let's assume they were planning to create concentration camps Godwin’s law.

You're using this wrong. Godwin's law is an observation and not a fallacy you can use to shutdown discussion.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

nailer wrote: post #361
dns_snek wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to equate any random hand gesture that just happens to have their arm extended at some point isn't fooling anyone, but it's a strong signal for your true feelings on the matter so I appreciate the time-saving part of it.

> Trying to equate any random hand gesture that just happens to have their arm extended at some point isn't fooling anyone Yes, exactly. You understand the bald faced lie of the people trying to pretend they think Elon Musk is a Nazi.

You're embarrassing yourself all over this thread.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by nailer »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #364
nailer wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trying to equate any random hand gesture that just happens to have their arm extended at some point isn't fooling anyone Yes, exactly. You understand the bald faced lie of the people trying to pretend they think Elon Musk is a Nazi.

You're embarrassing yourself all over this thread.

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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by ModernMech »

nailer wrote: post #362
ModernMech wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course I do. What I had said was "shows the same thing as the link I provided". In the link is a video of a neo nazi group doing a Nazi salute, which consists of two strokes: 1) hand on heart 2) thrust hand outward from body Which is exactly the 1-2 gesture that Musk makes. Juxtaposing the neo Nazi group and Musk doing the salute at the same time makes clear just how similar they are. As for your proof, what you…

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Is this OG enough for you lol?

https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/1i6par1/elon_musk_vs_...

Look, a lot of reasonable people are identifying what Musk did as a Nazi salute. The worldwide drop in Tesla sales and the massive protests prove that. I don't have to do a single thing to make Musk look like a Nazi, he does that all himself. It's up to you if you want to spend your time defending clearly indefensible actions. You really should save your breath though, because words from you won't convince me; at this point I'll need to see actions from Musk to believe otherwise.

But it is notable that you are willing to bend yourself into knots to justify Musk. This reply is the most substantive one you've written in this whole conversation, by a wide margin. Most others have been perfunctory, but you really warmed up your keyboard with this one. Like the other poster, I find that very interesting and telling.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by ModernMech »

nailer wrote: post #360
ModernMech wrote: post #357

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Not responding to all the points you raise is not an act of incivility. You've done the same (e.g. when you just responded "Godwin") -- you're psyching yourself out. I'm substantively responding to your posts, so it's up to you if you want to emphasize a specific argument that you feel I'm not picking up. > However we can define a threshold. I think a self-harming stim as an adult like head banging is sufficient to q…

> The answer is that there is no line and no one determines it Why is that the answer? > So if "self-harming as a stim is sufficient to qualify as profoundly autistic", then they can sweep up pretty much any autistic person. Disagree. I think your stats are off.

> Why is that the answer?

If it's not the answer, then where is the line and who determines it?

> Disagree. I think your stats are off.

I didn't provide any statistic, I made a generalized observation based on the autistic people I know. If you have stats, provide them.

But my observation is every autistic person I know has engaged in some level of self-harm stimming, and my generalization is that means lots of autistic people stim in this way, and this means if self-harm is a criteria for being "profoundly autistic", that will cause a lot of false positives.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by ModernMech »

nailer wrote: post #365
AlexeyBelov wrote: post #364

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You're embarrassing yourself all over this thread.

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This would be my cue to dip out of this conversation, and I will actually stay out -- if random people reading through these replies feel compelled to tell you this, and your response is to put a crown on your own head, I will leave you to it.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by nailer »

ModernMech wrote: post #368
nailer wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This would be my cue to dip out of this conversation, and I will actually stay out -- if random people reading through these replies feel compelled to tell you this, and your response is to put a crown on your own head, I will leave you to it.

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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by nailer »

ModernMech wrote: post #367
nailer wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The answer is that there is no line and no one determines it Why is that the answer? > So if "self-harming as a stim is sufficient to qualify as profoundly autistic", then they can sweep up pretty much any autistic person. Disagree. I think your stats are off.

> Why is that the answer? If it's not the answer, then where is the line and who determines it? > Disagree. I think your stats are off. I didn't provide any statistic, I made a generalized observation based on the autistic people I know. If you have stats, provide them. But my observation is every autistic person I know has engaged in some level of self-harm stimming, and my generalization is that means lots of autis…

> If it's not the answer, then where is the line

Scroll up. We’ve discussed this already.

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