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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by xpe »

empath75 wrote: post #270

This is part of a broader pattern of the incompetent thugs at ICE taking advantage of other, actual functioning and useful parts of government to help them do their work for them. It's not just courts, it's citizenship hearings, it's the IRS, it's schools. They're trying to send a message not to push back or get in their way. It's not about this particular judge, they are sending a message that they will go after sch…

Generally, I share these concerns. At the same time, this story is very new. In any case, looking at the primary sources is important. See https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69943125/united-states-.... I'm not a lawyer, but the criminal complaint does appear to be, more or less, within the realm of normal.

Now, putting aside that complaint, the decision to arrest Dugan is questionable for sure. My current understanding is that such an arrest is only done if the suspect is a flight risk.

It is probably wise to give this at least a few hours of detailed analysis by legal experts before we jump to conclusions or paint it with a broad brush.

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Post by mindslight »

bodiekane wrote: post #275
pjc50 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, but: freedom for "me". The libertarian HN posters are in favor of unlimited freedom for themselves and a police state for everyone else, especially non-Americans who dare to exist in America.

Libertarian is completely the opposite side of the political spectrum from police state/authoritarianism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

And yet many people calling themselves "Libertarian" signed themselves up for full-throated support of this fascist wannabe dictator. Their supposed interest in "freedom" doesn't extend past their own interest in oppressing others. The dynamic is especially pronounced in the surveillance industry, where digital authoritarianism gets a pass by appealing to the individual fantasy of creating your very own digital authoritarian startup.

signed, an actual libertarian.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by dionian »

tedivm wrote: post #347
kemayo wrote: post #16

> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

The ICE agents didn't have a warrant, so the judge was under no legal obligation to say anything to them at all.

according to this story, they had a warrant: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/23/ice-...

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Post by mola »

_mlbt wrote: post #37
whoknowsidont wrote: post #12

Democratic states really need to start disallowing federal agents to operate within their borders and band together. Activate their respective national guards and make it happen. Yes, that means defying federal law. Yes that means exactly the consequences you want to draw from those actions. There is no other option at this point. The law is dead in the U.S.

Why are deportations of illegal immigrants bad? Come here legally and be properly vetted. The law is dead if states defy it by refusing to allow federal agents to enforce immigration law. This whole stance is absolute madness.

Due process

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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Post by trollied »

euroderf wrote: post #314
jawiggins wrote: post #291

The AP article [1] has the full complaint linked, the crux of the case seems to be around the judge allowing the defendant to leave through a back entrance ("jury door") when they were aware agents were waiting in the public hallway to make an arrest as they exited. " 29. Multiple witnesses have described their observations after Judge DUGAN returned to her courtroom after directing members of the arrest team to the…

There has to be precedents in case law for how to assess this.

You might want to read this https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/sanctuary--supremacy--h...

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Post by slaw »

xpe wrote: post #332

If you want a primary source, I recommend reading https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11... In particular, part D: "Judge DUGAN escorts Flores-Ruiz through a “jury door” to avoid his arrest."

I hope Judge Dugan will be trialed as a regular citizen.

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Post by nashashmi »

saalweachter wrote: post #183
nashashmi wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they wanted to get intel on suspected illegals. They just cannot use the data provided to the IRS as evidence. They have to get separate evidence.

Separate evidence for ...?

evidence of crime separate than what is obtained via compulsion of circumstances.

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Post by Aeolun »

xpe wrote: post #332

If you want a primary source, I recommend reading https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11... In particular, part D: "Judge DUGAN escorts Flores-Ruiz through a “jury door” to avoid his arrest."

Not necessarily to avoid his arrest, only the fact they went through a jury door is indicated for now.

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Post by BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 »

Aeolun wrote: post #180
rchaud wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine they'll soon be putting a spin on George W Bush-era legal arguments about the applicability of Geneva Conventions on "non-uniformed combatants". In this case, if the ICE agents weren't uniformed at the time of arrest, they can't be considered agents of the federal government, and thus can't be subject to legal redress.

Does that mean they’ll just be trespassers that can be shot if they enter your property unannounced like a gang of hooligans?

2nd Amendment and self defense arguments could be argued if you shoot plainclothes officers in fear of your safety.
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