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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by froh »

_2d30 wrote: post #215
froh wrote: post #189

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this gets me the wrong way. see, I live in Nuremberg, Germany. I went to school here, "higher education". I've learned a lot about fascism, how it lured voters into electing them, how they grabbed and secured power, how they introduced concentration camps ("animal protection" legislation, prohibiting kosher butchering, introduced the camps as punishment for those insisting on kosher law. twisted) I've visited two con…

AFAICT, this wasn't actually how the Germans framed the concentration camps at all. The article you responded to is about how a woman described them in 2010. The closest thing I can find is here: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deceiving-... And this film was never even shown broadly as it was made near the end of the war. Also, it's technically for a ghetto and not a concentration camp. No AI I've…

there was "exemplary" KZ Theresienstadt which was used to pretend these camps were educational facilities, quite successfully so for some period of time.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by mmooss »

cma wrote: post #302
mmooss wrote: post #244

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I should have thought more carefully and included the DC buildings, but it's still only a few buildings and thousands of people. And that took an enormous amount of planning, plus luck, etc. He was never going to take over the US, defeat the US military, or endanger more people than the flu.

Keep thinking even more carefully, it was more than two buildings destroyed in NYC and a huge portion of legislative branch could have been killed if in session. Threat of total defeat of US, which Capitol attack wouldn't have caused, isn't exactly a reasonable benchmark for being the only thing that would balance out the response we had.

> Keep thinking even more carefully

I suppose that should be mostly said to the mirror, at least before anyone else.

> balance out the response we had

That isn't an issue in my comments.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by gaudystead »

_cenw wrote: post #269
doener wrote: post #248

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Translation via DeepL: "The German's mother made serious accusations against the immigration authorities in the US media. She told NHPR in New Hampshire that officers had "violently interrogated" her son for hours. He had to strip naked and was forced to take a cold shower by two officers before being put back in his chair. He was then taken to a room with other people in bright light and was given hardly any food or…

The government employees at these border crossing definitely feel too confident that whatever they do will get covered up or ignored by the people above them. And all trust I ever had in the forth estate - nationally and internationally - has gone with this entire mess of a presidency too. They mostly seem to parrot each other's assurances that things that are happening are completely normal, or at least understate h…

WIRED Magazine crawling out of the pits of being a glorified collection of advertisements to having quality journalism pieces about tech related news was not something I was expecting for these times, but I'm happy to have been pleasantly surprised.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by snotrockets »

croes wrote: post #48
silisili wrote: post #40

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If you talk to a parent of a child who OD'd, most commonly of fent these days, they all have this thought. What if I took them somewhere remote where there are no drugs and didn't let them leave? My heart hurts for them, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not. Regardless, I think his heart is in the right place. Time will tell whether or not it's actually useful.

They had camps to cure gayness. The problem isn’t the camps but the people who have the authority in them and how the treat people especially if the cure isn’t working. Not everything can be cured by organic food, fresh air and labor. BTW is the food the grow for the farms only or is selling it part of the plan? If the latter then it’s about cheap labor

The problem is the camps. It's forces framing certain traits as something that requires exiling people who show them.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by _2d30 »

froh wrote: post #361
_2d30 wrote: post #215

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AFAICT, this wasn't actually how the Germans framed the concentration camps at all. The article you responded to is about how a woman described them in 2010. The closest thing I can find is here: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/deceiving-... And this film was never even shown broadly as it was made near the end of the war. Also, it's technically for a ghetto and not a concentration camp. No AI I've…

there was "exemplary" KZ Theresienstadt which was used to pretend these camps were educational facilities, quite successfully so for some period of time.

Fascinating. Never heard of it. What did you think about the source I linked to?

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by anonfordays »

If you're traveling internationally, do so legally and with the correct paperwork. This isn't too much to ask for. People freaking out because the US is finally enforcing its immigration laws is hilarious. This boycott page has some incredibly delusional takes. Follow the laws of the country your visiting and don't worry about it.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by cma »

mmooss wrote: post #362
cma wrote: post #302

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Keep thinking even more carefully, it was more than two buildings destroyed in NYC and a huge portion of legislative branch could have been killed if in session. Threat of total defeat of US, which Capitol attack wouldn't have caused, isn't exactly a reasonable benchmark for being the only thing that would balance out the response we had.

> Keep thinking even more carefully I suppose that should be mostly said to the mirror, at least before anyone else. > balance out the response we had That isn't an issue in my comments.

> That isn't an issue in my comments.

"seemingly arbitrary state violence is an old, well-established tactic of states"

You weren't referring to the subsequent "war on terror," relating the state response to that to the state reponse to this? It was just thrown in unrelated?

> But because it was seemingly random, people thought it could happen anywhere.

While people everywhere did fear, what was "seemingly random" about targeting: the Pentagon, the US Capitol, and the most prominent buildings in the NY skyline, which had already been targeted before in a bombing plot by the same groups?

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by sharpshadow »

eqvinox wrote: post #313
sharpshadow wrote: post #299

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Regarding your knowledge on this topic your recommendation is an insult. Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, I don’t make this up look it up. All kinds of outdoor festivities are undergoing brutal security regulations, making them unprofitable and many don’t even happen anymore because of this. Not even mentioning the knife crimes which are absurdly. Nazi crimes are the lowest they h…

> Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, Did you forget (or not hear) the Magdeburg x-mas market car attacker was an AfD supporter and antiislamic? And the Mannheim one was a German gardener with "Reichsbürger" connections? It doesn't quite make for snappy headlines, so a lot of people never hear these details…

The Madgeburg terrorist is a Saudi Arabic refugee which dislikes the Islam and not really an AfD supporter, but mentioned that he liked some position regarding the Islam critique the party has.

The Mannheim terrorist is indeed a German but I guess that the exception confirms the rule.

Overall all extrem attacks if from right, left, foreigners are an issue and need to be adressed accordingly. The problem which the Germany people have with the current state of affairs is that the bad behaving asylum seekers mostly the ones from the middle east get a soft treatment to say the least when they commit heinous crimes and the deterrence of appropriate punishment through law and order is not given.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by q3k »

_2d30 wrote: post #359
q3k wrote: post #358

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If my system regularly ships bugs, then yes, it's purpose is apparently to regularly ship bugs. If my system ships rarely bugs, then yes, it's purpose is apparently to rarely ship bugs.

> If my system regularly ships bugs, then yes, it's purpose is apparently to regularly ship bugs. If my system ships rarely bugs, then yes, it's purpose is apparently to rarely ship bug The purpose of Linux is to ship bugs: https://www.cvedetails.com/product/47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.htm... Genius stuff here. Crazy how many people use an operating system whose literal purpose according to you is to ship bugs.

And that's why a lot of us are pushing to change the system by eg. making it use a memory safe language. Otherwise it's gonna keep producing more bugs than it should :).
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