Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

Post by himinlomax » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 9:28 AM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #72

msm_ wrote: post #68

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From a brief reading of the wikipedia article you linked, I'm under impression that the accusations are baseless (given that there are - supposedly - witnesses and his former classmates that confirm his version, and apparently no whistleblowers that present a proof otherwise). The sources are in Turkish so I didn't consult them[1]. Is the article biased or omits some important context? Since you believe the degree is…

Before the 2000s, depending on how overtly conservative you were and who was in govenenent (coups, counter-coups, and fits of "democracy" happened every couple years), you might not have been allowed to attend at all. An entire generation of women from conservative backgrounds couldn't attend university in Turkiye until the 2000s because of the hijab ban. Unsurprisingly, once conservative Turkish politicians like Erd…

Post by hjgjhyuhy » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 9:29 AM UTC

rafram wrote: post #179

csomar wrote: post #168

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> An entire generation of women from conservative backgrounds couldn't attend university in Turkiye until the 2000s because of the hijab ban. This should have been countered by "forcing" education for everyone. For university, you could do special high subsidies that enable the woman to break from their families. It'll be painful for a couple generations but it does work.

I may be misunderstanding what you’re saying, but it sounds like you’re assuming that women only continue wearing hijab because their families force them to. That’s certainly not the case.

Post by sharpshadow » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 9:44 AM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #72

msm_ wrote: post #68

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From a brief reading of the wikipedia article you linked, I'm under impression that the accusations are baseless (given that there are - supposedly - witnesses and his former classmates that confirm his version, and apparently no whistleblowers that present a proof otherwise). The sources are in Turkish so I didn't consult them[1]. Is the article biased or omits some important context? Since you believe the degree is…

Before the 2000s, depending on how overtly conservative you were and who was in govenenent (coups, counter-coups, and fits of "democracy" happened every couple years), you might not have been allowed to attend at all. An entire generation of women from conservative backgrounds couldn't attend university in Turkiye until the 2000s because of the hijab ban. Unsurprisingly, once conservative Turkish politicians like Erd…

Post by ReptileMan » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 9:46 AM UTC

msm_ wrote: post #76

ReptileMan wrote: post #8

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I have to admit I'm offended. Your arbitrary borders include whole eastern europe, most of the balkans, sweden, finland, estonia, latvia, around half of africa, greece, middle east, basically whole asia, indonesia, india, china, russia, and half of australia. There may be countries equally as bad in that list, but saying everyone does it with "some tiny exceptions" is egregious.

Post by hackyhacky » Wed, Mar 19, 2025, 9:50 AM UTC

srslythrowaway wrote: post #111

hackyhacky wrote: post #93

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So you don't support freedom of speech? Or you support it only for people who agree with you? Do you believe the government should pressure institutions to punish people who express messages the government doesn't like? It's interesting that Columbia protesters get their degrees revoked but J6 protesters get pardons. How do you explain the difference?

J6 protestors are lawbreakers. IMO, they should not get pardons, but Trump is a despot with the power to issue pardons. I can't do anything about that. The people at Columbia were not mere "protestors". They were physically abusive bigots who trampled the freedoms of people around them. If they were Jews chanting islamophobic slurs, destroying property, and preventing anyone with a keffiyeh from attending class, they…