Upon reviewing the Docker Compose, I noticed a large number of containers. Although this could be seen as negative feedback, I view it as a challenge and make time to address it as a self-hoster.
Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline
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Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline
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Y Combinator. They gave it away to all of them. This is how you become popular with startups.
That's really gross. I guess then everyone thinks they need to use it because all these startups use it, but it's really just a simple notepad app with many alternatives.
Isn’t this exactly why accelerators like Y Combinator exist? To provide all the necessary things that aren’t your startup?
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Why is it better that 5 private companies make the same product and compete against each other in marketing? Why should the government buy a product from them, and spend lots of money to tailor it to their needs, without even owning the finished product?
Where do governments get their money from? Taxes on economic activity. The more economic activity the government performs itself, the less opportunity there is to raise tax revenue. Take this through to its logical conclusion and you have the government owning farms, making food, making its own steel, building its own cars, etc. with a corresponding loss of revenue-raising activity in the real economy.
> Where do governments get their money from? Taxes on economic activity.
That may be true of local/state governments, but it isn't true for currency-issuing governments like the US. I'm not as familiar with the EU monetary system as I haven't read as much into it.
Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline
#364There are already quiet a few softwares that claim to be Notion alternatives or seem to be: - AppFlowy: https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy - AFFiNE: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE - SiYuan: https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan - Trillium Next: https://github.com/TriliumNext/Notes - AnyType (only clients are source available): https://github.com/anyproto/anytype-ts
https://getoutline.com mentioned in the submission title
Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline
#365Outline is open source.
It's Business Source License
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#366It feels like notetaking/wiki software have gotten a resurgence in the last few years. Not that it was ever not a thing, but like a new generation of people realized wanted to build new tools for it. Personally, I think the variety of tools is very interesting, and while I like Obsidian and plain markdown file, I do love to see different options in the space with hosted options and different capabilities. Notion feel…
If you're familiar with the space, ever heard anything that ticks all these boxes: (a) git versioned (b) CRDTs (c) WYSIWYG but Markdown (esp GFM) (d) front matter + markdown able to be SSGd (e) comfortable UI for not-devs (f) native (Swift) MacOS app, else Tauri/Electron self-hosted client+svc (g) if online, OIDC / SAML SSO Appears this can be cobbled leveraging Obsidian plugins, but unstable due to git vs. CRDT issu…
Qownnotes. Syncs with cloud for multi device.
Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline
#367The reality is nowadays few documents need desktop publishing features. Because seldom if ever become paper documents.
Also the average back office author knows a tiny fraction of Microsoft Word or Excel features.
Give them means to type in text, add pictures and collaborate. Templates for beautification. That’s all what is needed.
This has been known for ages. Alas Microsoft has a grip on governments and large orgs we know little about. CERN is an example.
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#368This is a really great project from both the French and German governments. I think state-funded open source solutions to digital platforms is a fantastic opportunity to get away from the big tech walled gardens. Of course, there is always the risk that this becomes unmaintained in the future, but the community at least can take over. But until then, it's a nice platform and a nice contribution to the community.
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> Europe should be making industry-leading apps. Europe should produce software startups that make products that get used worldwide. I've kind of lost hope when it comes to commercial services and proprietary apps. They're sadly all sooner or later enshittified. We need something different, not by promises but by design (FOSS). > EU subsidized clones of popular American products feels like admitting defeat. I think i…
I can't think of too many apps that I use that are truly FOSS. Databases, compilers/interpreters, web servers, operating systems...but apps? (Other than gnu/bad command line tools of course)
Typically a FOSS community seems to take a while to get started, but once it gets going (Blender, Linux, etc) it tends to stick around and even seriously gain traction.
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In a universe where the French government drops a perfect replacement for Notion and causes Notion to go out of business, this is still a net positive for society in the same way that things like Linux existing is a net positive for society. One should not focus on the economic sphere as the be all and end all. We can just have improvements be distributed to everyone sometimes! We can just do good things through coor…
In the short term a free open source govt alternative may be a net positive for society. I don't think it is in the long run. Government projects like these are not likely to really push the state-of-the-art forward. This project even advertises itself as a FOSS Notion alternative. Do government-sponsored clones encourage or stymie innovation? I think the latter. Every week we read in the news that the EU struggles w…
There are plenty of projects pushing the state of the art forward.
A very specific example: basically all interactive theorem proving tooling is built in public research halls. This has allowed Compcert, a C compiler with “no bugs”[0] to exist.
The Compcert case is interesting because private funding is also involved. Public state research can still pull in private funds! We are not entirely throwing in the towel!
[0] “no bugs” here means “we have defined a spec for C, and this compiler is guaranteed to compile your C code along the spec we defined, so long as your program terminates”. There’s some hand waving around a theorem prover’s own validity but all Compcert bugs have been “we misewrote a chunk of spec” varietals