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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by amluto »

UncleEntity wrote: post #335
riehwvfbk wrote: post #317

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Nothing's really stopping them from leaving Ukraine, is there? If you don't want to be targeted by kamikaze drones then don't volunteer to be part of an invading force. Back in the day I didn't really complain too much about being targeted when I was running around in Iraq as a civilian contractor. Well, other than the whole 'non-combatant' rules of war Geneva Convention thing but that was my choice as I knew they di…

In slight fairness, I don’t think most of the Russian soldiers are volunteers at this point.

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Post by curt15 »

ponector wrote: post #329
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #319

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I think you are going to have to convince Putin. Good luck with that!

That is why Trump is pushing Ukraine to accept capitulation on Russian terms. Like to give Russia two big cities Zaporizhzhia and Kherson they have no control of.

A Trump surrender like the world has never before seen

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Post by lotharcable »

FromTheSteppe wrote: post #314
tonyhart7 wrote: post #278

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US spends trillion in vietname,iraq,afghan etc while people can't afford housing,healthcare and living paycheck to paycheck its hard to care for other people when your basic needs is not fullfill

The reason people are living paycheck to paycheck is not because of military aids, the system is not going to spend saved money on people, and people will be the ones fighting the incoming wars. You need unions and Universal Healthcare like the rest of the developed world to fix those problems.

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Post by giraffe_lady »

lotharcable wrote: post #363
FromTheSteppe wrote: post #314

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The reason people are living paycheck to paycheck is not because of military aids, the system is not going to spend saved money on people, and people will be the ones fighting the incoming wars. You need unions and Universal Healthcare like the rest of the developed world to fix those problems.

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Do you think this is true or are you trying to make it true?

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Post by walleeee »

beretguy wrote: post #242
3oil3 wrote: post #231

During the cuban missile crisis back in 1960ish, R̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶ Soviets actually had reached the point where they had launch-ready, on-ramp nuclear missiles. We learned some 20 years later that the US had deployed nuclear missiles of their own in Turkey, and the agreement was to remove those missiles in return. Back in those days, we had no "nuclear suitcase" for approving a nuclear launch, and we had US warships sur…

There is absolutely no talking to russia because russia will not respect any talks or agreements. Talking to russia will only buy time for russia to rearm and attack again. Here is the proof: "Zelensky sent Trump list of all 'ceasefires' violated by Russia" https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-gave-trump-list-of-all-... russia respects nothing except getting punched back. They will break every single agreement. No am…

Well-respected American leaders thought it wise and worthwhile to maintain backchannels with the USSR throughout the cold war. Presumably, then, the Soviets were a lesser threat, materially and ideologically, to the American project than Russia is today? Is that correct?

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Post by sham1 »

rayiner wrote: post #285
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #283

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Thank you. This is what people with privilege don't get. There are concentric circles of giving a fuck: first in the center is yourself, then your family, then your friends, then your community, then your city, then your country, then other countries on the planet. It's impossible to get people to care about the outermost circle when their inner circles are not satisfied, so they won't be happy to see their elected o…

It’s not even about “basic needs.” How much support is there in fat and happy Europe for putting boots on the ground? It sounds like UK and France would go it alone? https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/03/04/which-european... And it’s not lost on me that both Starmer and Macron represent a minority of the electorate in their respective countries—having won due to a deeply fractured electorate.

Well, it seems that at least according to the article, Finland, Scandinavia, the Baltics, Poland etc. weren't even asked for our opinions.

Unfortunately typical that we just get ignored here in the eastern flank. One can only hope that we weren't mentioned because it's obvious that we'd back these operations, since an ascended Russia is an existential threat to everyone here, but alas.

Of course there are ideas like the one from President Stubb, wherein any peace treaty could be dive such that a future attack on Ukraine by Russia world mean Ukraine's automatic ascension to NATO (and/or the EU, depending on just how far America is willing to backstab its allies) and basically having the organisation(s) guarantee Ukraine's independence. Although that would require taking northern and eastern Europeans seriously, and I'm somehow not convinced of that happening.

But yeah, hopefully they get the peacekeepers at the very least.

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Post by djhn »

leovingi wrote: post #323
djhn wrote: post #288

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> their own negligence. The US took Ukraine’s nukes in exchange for safety guarantees. The true extent of US commitment to european security has been clear to everyone for at least ten years. Hell, the French nuclear programme was premised on the fact that Paris didn’t trust the US to defend France. Do you think the easternmost NATO states have built their military doctrine on blind trust in Uncle Sam?

> The US took Ukraine’s nukes in exchange for safety guarantees. Please read the actual text of the memorandum, so you don't spread any more baseless accusations. It's only 1 page, it'll just take you a minute and the language it is written in is very accessible. https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Ukraine_Memorand... The only point that even touches on any kind of guarantees is essentially a promise to "seek…

The Budapest Memorandum on its own is not the only document that you should consult. We may debate the degree to which 'assurances' differ from 'guarantees', but considering the vagueness of international law I would leave interpretation of primary sources to scholars and statesmen.

In the eyes of the people in Europe, the US response to the war has been been lacklustre from the very beginning, only marginally improving after Russia's 2/2022 escalation.

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Post by skeletal88 »

StefanBatory wrote: post #161
rdm_blackhole wrote: post #144

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I have trouble following the logic here. Putin has not been able to conquer the whole of Ukraine after 3 years, but somehow, suddenly, he will be able to conquer all of the Baltic states without breaking a sweat? So which is it? Is the Russian army fighting with shovels or are they a ferocious horde that is unstoppable? Those two things cannot be true at the same time. I am getting tired of people parroting this narr…

Russians could invade and while it is most likely that after a long war they'd be pushed back, they'd still leave ruins. Also, we don't have unified army. So as painful as it is, it is most likely Baltic states would have to fend of with their military (and due to population, well, they can't - even if they are bringing conscription back), maybe Poland and Finland. Maybe. And then you'd have to coordinate what to do…

Your data is wrong

Estonia has had conscription for our whole independence from russia, and we don't intend to go back to russia. Lithuania also has conscription and Latvia started it again last year.

Estonia also has the Defence League, a voluntary organisation which offers trainings and will support our defence forces.

Finland and Poland also have conscription.

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Post by lifestyleguru »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #359
lifestyleguru wrote: post #336

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America in unable to sustain such active support for two countries simultaneously, so it's picking Israel. Israeli lobbying is much more far-reaching than European so American attention is shifting there. EU has 3-4 years to ram up but its leaders are the same self-absorbed as Trump (only less big mouthed), so in 3-4 years Europeans will have to absorb whatever Putin will come up with.

Except that one one country is resisting invasion by its bigger bully neighbor that is killing its civilian population, while the other is the bigger bully neighbor killing a civilian population and reducing it to rubble. A pretty clear indication that America stands on the side of the aggressors and doesn’t give a fuck about you know ordinary people being killed. Shameful.

The ethical "who's who" is irrelevant for US, in both cases they have "big beautiful ocean" inbetween.

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Post by amluto »

narrator wrote: post #186
arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

The difference is Israel's enemies are easy to defeat. Russia, not so much. Europe made the same mistake as in world war II. Believing their own propaganda and convincing themselves that Russia would be easy to defeat. Trump talks to the military and knows what's reality.

I wasn’t around for WWII, but now don’t think you have this quite right. The US fought against Germany and its allies (and Japan, which had directly attacked the US and continued to fight after Germany surrendered). The war was never against Russia.

Sure, maybe the US could have invaded Russia afterwards, but that would have been a disaster, kind of like how Germany’s invasion of Russia was a disaster and a bit like how Russia’s recent invasion of Ukraine has been a real mess for Russia.

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