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Re: A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub

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Afghanistan has that. Instead of landlords, they have warlords, just a different term for the same thing. Why is anybody interested in repeating that thing? I've been told that billionaires think differently than the rest of us, but I still can't fathom why someone would want to be the king of a shit hole when they could be richer as a regular citizen of a liberal democracy. Why do they hate our success?

The argument I could see is that even the least king has certain privileges that no tycoon in a democratic state offers. The obvious example I could see is just the concept of legal immunity. There's no need to deluge your critics with lawyers when the courts will simply refuse to take up objections to His Majesty. It would also presumably make an excellent "flag of convenience" for your other wealth assets- create a…

That system only works so long as you are prepared to be completely self-reliant, which is fine for a largely agrarian society. But at some point, technological complexity requires continued reliance on outside groups or you don't progress or even maintain.

Consider a scenario - the US falls into some weird anarcho-libertarian dystopia. This works fine for a while, but no one is making new computers or new cars or new anything and the only way to get these things is to open negotiations with outside groups. But what do you offer them? The currency is worthless because it used to be backed by a central government but it isn't now. If you don't have something that is valued by the outside group, you have nothing to bargain with. And if you don't have superior force of arms, they don't have to accept it anyway. And even if you do, you absolutely cannot trust them.

Modern government is built on trust. It has value because, even if it is somewhat corrupt, or even totally corrupt, it keeps society functioning in a way that provides value to everyone, even if it is unevenly distributed. By reducing that uneven distribution, we increase the overall value to everyone both inside and outside the system. It's literally the definition of win-win.

If the government system has some value, then its currency has value, regardless. The US dollar is valued because it is backed by the word of the US government. Other countries have lesser value because, while their word might be good, they aren't as trusted or don't have the might that the US government has at its command.

Trump and Musk and the people they're working with don't get that. They only see win-lose. They don't understand that their value is in trust and that they are rapidly pissing away that trust.

We are unimaginably fucked.

Maybe I'm preaching to the choir, and badly at that, and I apologize for that. I'm sitting down here, so far from being able to do anything effective, and it's so unbelievably frustrating.

Re: A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub

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Another possibility is that the uber-rich techbros can see that, if we keep heading the way we're going, the whole thing comes crashing down. We've been speedrunning a far-left utopia for quite a while now, and it's not going well. Whether it's some kind of currency collapse, internal civil war, or something else, this is a death slide towards something bad. Assuming that's the explanation, then radical change isn't…

> speedrunning a far-left utopia What the fuck are you talking about? We don’t even have socialized medicine in this country.

> What the fuck are you talking about? We don’t even have socialized medicine in this country.

And in a lot of the countries in Europe where things are further along the 'speedrunning' spectrum things don't seem too bad.

Heck, Sweden has more billionaires per capita and a wider social safety net:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of...

Re: A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub

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Most federal workers aren’t openly and flagrantly breaking the law. Given each DOGE bro has violated several laws in the past weeks, it’s prudent to focus attention on them. Not too much. But enough that there is a public record for litigation and prosecution at the state and local level in the future.

Honest question. Which laws?

https://www.vox.com/politics/398618/elon-musk-doge-illegal-l...

Most obviously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impou...

Re: A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub

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Some have said that the folks running DOGE follow an Anarcho-capitalist philosophy. According to Wikipedia, that philosophy "seeks to abolish centralized states in favor of stateless societies with systems of private property enforced by private agencies." If so, I don't think they care if it's a "good" program or a "bad" program, they just want to reduce the size of government. Some might say, they are throwing the…

Afghanistan has that. Instead of landlords, they have warlords, just a different term for the same thing. Why is anybody interested in repeating that thing? I've been told that billionaires think differently than the rest of us, but I still can't fathom why someone would want to be the king of a shit hole when they could be richer as a regular citizen of a liberal democracy. Why do they hate our success?

People want warlords because they think they’ll come out on top. That’s why there’s a big overlap between the big national militia groups and MAGA trumpers. They style themselves warlords and want the government to get out of the way so they can form their own government.

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Didn’t they cancel some cancer treatment research projects? I am sure the Head of the health department — one that doesn’t consider measles a problem — has given his stamp of approval for that, after all, he has a whole 0 years in all tangentially related fields combined!

> Didn’t they cancel some cancer treatment research projects? “Cancel” suggest more decision-making than appears to have happened, at least in the research projects I am aware of—a number had to be canceled by those running them because the unprecedented blanket payment pause notionally to evaluate programs existing programs made it impossible for them to continue operating.

No. They actually cancelled it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/doge-cuts-911-related-c...

Re: A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub

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Your "yes, obviously!" response is refreshingly honest. At least you admit moral values are irrelevant to your worldview—just raw power and self-interest matter. This isn't the anti-interventionism of principled peace activists; it's naked realpolitik stripped of ethical pretense. I opposed the Iraq War too—the difference is I don't use it to justify abandoning democracies facing genuine aggression. Opposing misguide…

> This isn't the anti-interventionism of principled peace activists; it's naked realpolitik stripped of ethical pretense. Yes, because ethics is a terrible basis for foreign policy. Who made you the god of what’s right and wrong, moral and immoral? The ideological nutjobs are worse for the world than the self interested dictators. > Opposing misguided interventions doesn't require embracing callous isolationism. The…

> And the anti-interventionists finally have a majority of Americans opposed to spending American lives defending the borders of countries they couldn’t find on a map.

Nope, they've got a leader who is obsessed with the idea of turning Gaza, Panama and Greenland into American colonies and making agreements with Russia on the future of Ukraine. Pretty much every other leader manages a less interventionist first few weeks than that...

If there were prizes handed out for intellectual dishonesty arguing that the people who don't think that ethnically cleansing Gaza to build casinos there is a route to peace in the Middle East are the ones who are arrogantly presupposing they understand the world well enough to intervene in the fates of foreign people would be a surefire winner.

Re: A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub

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A bit tangent, and since I’m an outsider who doesn’t live in the states and have no skin in the game — my understanding is, they will do literally anything to make sure DOGE succeeds, because a failure is basically unacceptable. I can’t even imagine how you can backtrack this, and fix stuff up. They obviously prepared for it months in advance. Targeting ex-employees of successful product companies and putting them in…

> Targeting ex-employees of successful product companies and putting them in charge (especially the ones with a lot of money, but a bit lost because they want can’t find meaning in life) there was a post a couple of months back on HN from such a person who worked with DOGE for a bit

And?

Re: A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub

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The GOP appointed heads had no power. The are reports in the prior administration of political appointees having to follow legal cases on PACER because career bureaucrats weren’t accurately keeping them abreast of developments. Likewise they slow rolled rulemakings and other proceedings.

But the democrat appointed heads had all the power?

The problem with a persistent bureaucracy is that it selects for bureaucrats in favor of perpetuating and expanding the bureaucracy.

So a political appointee who wants to expand government finds willing allies.

An appointee who wants to reduce government finds opposition.

The association of individual political parties with those positions is more variable.

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>Numerous other claims have been shown to account for entire contract amounts, even though they only cancelled the remaining balance of the contract. They are building this live and it's been a month as a side quest. They have fixed those issues that you have said, and have been updating the website, fixing different pricing, etc. etc. every single day. They have not been preparing for months... that's not how system…

I’m not sure how to put it in the nicest way possible without offending anyone, but — your government is the only one in the 2nd/1st world country that is doing in a way where it hurts average person for no reason. Hypothesis among people that I talk to in real life is that American government is jealous of China and knows they can’t have the same power and abilities as they due. This is just a side effect of them fr…

It's sad to see from inside, too.

Re: A DOGE staffer appears to be posting DOGE work on his public GitHub

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Afghanistan has that. Instead of landlords, they have warlords, just a different term for the same thing. Why is anybody interested in repeating that thing? I've been told that billionaires think differently than the rest of us, but I still can't fathom why someone would want to be the king of a shit hole when they could be richer as a regular citizen of a liberal democracy. Why do they hate our success?

Is life really that much better for billionaires of today than kings of last millennium? Sure you can acquire a private fleet of jets and cars now. But given that you rarely if-ever drive them it's no different than a fleet of rare animals. Sure you can play video games and watch sports on TV but is that really much better than watching sports from a private suite? I will conceded that their life expectancy has basic…

They generally don't have to be as paranoid about people trying to kill them, for one - sure, some wacko might jump a fence once in a while, but any halfway decent security arrangement takes care of that.

And no one has to worry that some other billionaire is going to send an army to conquer his or her estate and holdings by force of arms, slaughtering all the employees and destroying the inventory.

They don't have to pack the basements with food for the winter. Their fleets of cars and other ridiculous collections can be safely stored away from the environment and peasants (meaning anyone poor, like millionaires).

Governments make rules to favor them and do the job of selling it to the masses. They don't have to do their own PR. In fact, the media will do the PR for them and it won't cost them anything, for the most part.

They can bury their pecadillos on private islands, secure in the knowledge that, even if word gets out, word won't get out, for reasons. And besides, no one will really care, because governments and media will magically turn it from horrible scandal to mild eccentricity.

And if they don't like the government, well, now, they can just buy one.

No idea what happens if they try to return it, though.

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