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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by StefanBatory » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:20 PM UTC

I'm afraid of USA by now.

That one day they will sever ties with Europe, I expected. But not becoming an actively hostile state.

I am left wondering - how long it will take until Americans start openly supporting Russia and China?

When I was younger, anti-American people were a source of jokes for me. Being a Pole, why would anyone be against our ally? Well, now I see. And it's painful to say that, but I'm starting to see Americans as people in very negative light. Perhaps you were hated in the rest of the world for a reason.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by markus_zhang » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:20 PM UTC

It's sad to be smaller countries.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by brightball » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:20 PM UTC

hayst4ck wrote: post #141

The American government has been compromised by Russia. It no longer represents American interests, but Russian interests. Whether the senior powers in America are compromised, complicit, or opportunist, it doesn't matter. America is being damaged. Russian interests are being prioritized over American interests. Our military is too powerful for direct conflict, so alternative conflict against our political structure…

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by empiricus » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:21 PM UTC

AlexatParis wrote: post #303

I am born in Ukraine and live now in Europe. As European I may understand your disappointment with the West letting down some "rules based" order and democratic values. Yet as Ukrainian, I know unfortunately that the premises of the "rules based world" do not apply to many regions in the world, inclusive Ukraine. Let me explain, a rule-based order means that the monopoly of violence is the privilege of the state: if…

What do you think Putin will do in year after a peace? What do you think Putin will do after taking over Ukraine? This is also a form of realism, to think what will happen in the future.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by redmajor12 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:21 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #65

Shameful day for America where the President and VP two on one berate a visiting leader (guest even) who is fighting for his countries freedom against a totalitarian regime.

When did Zelensky's presidential term expired again?

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by StefanBatory » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:21 PM UTC

akmarinov wrote: post #344

So at this point obviously the US pulls all support from Ukraine - weapons, intelligence, the works. Any negotiations US-Russia will be useless as the US won’t represent anyone with a stake in the war. They don’t have people, territory, anything at stake, they don’t get refugees and generally aren’t directly affected in any way. What are the chances that they just leave Ukraine, Europe and Russia alone from now on an…

That would be a good ending by now - USA can start supporting Russia. With intelligence, with weapons.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by cynicalpeace » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:21 PM UTC

A lot of people here are angry with Trump about this. But if you watch the full meeting, it's clear Zelensky could have avoided this fiasco.

Just the facts:

1. Zelensky did indeed say thank you, at the beginning of the conference.

2. Zelensky made faces at various points of the initial questions. Mostly in frustration with reporters but also in frustration with Trump

3. Zelensky shook his head when Trump started making some remark he disagreed with. A reporter even followed up on him shaking his head. This was the preamble to the bigger argument.

4. Finally, Zelensky asked Vance a provocative question "what kind of diplomacy are you talking about?" which started the shouting match.

Zelensky and this administration simply do not want the same thing. This kind of altercation was probably inevitable in some fashion, but it should've been done in private. Zelensky now gives no chance for the administration to even save face if they do decide to help more.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:21 PM UTC

GMoromisato wrote: post #270

I would like to know what the alternatives are. None that I can think of are palatable: 1. Support Ukraine enough so that Russia doesn't take too much more territory, but not enough for Russia to feel threatened and escalate the war. This was the Biden plan and it sounds like what Europe wants. I just don't see how this ends the war. Is this just buying time for someone to depose Putin? 2. Support Ukraine enough so i…

> 4. Abandon Ukraine and make a deal with Russia against China. [This is Trump's plan and it's as stupid as it sounds.]

It would have been in the US best interest to have done this twenty years ago, but some greedy bastards thought there would be untold riches in breaking up Russia, to have "two, three, many Ukraines". They failed.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by ge96 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:22 PM UTC

legitster wrote: post #19

That video was hard to watch. Zelensky was being very dignified and they absolutely jumped down his throat. This public meeting was a complete setup, and it's ironic that JD Vance is accusing Zelensky of grandstanding.

"have you been to Ukraine?" No but... lol

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by nxm » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:22 PM UTC

pillefitz wrote: post #229

Dear Americans, please do something. Protest, write letters to congressmen etc. We Germans went through all of this 90 years ago..

Except I want peace in Ukraine finally, and not billions of dollars wasted and more lives killed because Zelensky doesn’t love a potential peace deal. Don’t compare apples and oranges…loses credibility.